Training Sarah

[Everything]

08/08/2012 at 11:53 am

A couple weeks ago an old friend moved in with me for the next few months. She had lost her job and her boyfriend moved out west so has been going through a rough time, which started about a month before she came to stay here. Since she has arrived I have had her until yesterday on a custom female Ownership for Master, playing 24/7 from my desktop computer which is located in the living room (and coincidentally located close to the sofa spot she has chosen to adopt as her own).
For the first few days she noticed a headache, but since then I have found that when she is not watching tv she has started to keep my house clean as well yesterday, she had dinner ready for me when I came home from work. Most nights, rather than go upstairs to the bedroom I gave her, I have found her sleeping on the sofa (last night was an exception, but I went up to my bed to sleep last night while she was on a skype call with the guy out west).
Before then yesterday, for instance, she woke on the sofa while I was already off for work, turned on the tv to wake up a little more and found herself lying there watching movies on tv until I texted her to tell her I was coming home from work, where she told me afterwards that that was the motivation she needed to get up, where she proceeded to clean the living room, kitchen and most of upstairs, while making a delicious chicken alfredo that was ready for me within a couple minutes of my getting home from work. After eating (because I was up quite late last night to pick her up from work – she just went back to stripping to try to save some money up again), I had a short nap, and rather than wake Me to take her to work, she decided it was best not to, and when I did wake I found her sitting at her spot she had chosen on the sofa, and being too late to go to work decided to stay with Me for the night (until the skype call), including joining me to head out for errands rather than stay at home alone.
Today I am starting her on the second file in my custom ownership set, leaving it playing while I go to work today.
My questions now are how do I start to make the transition to who she is becoming and is there a way to start easing her off gently the boyfriend who now lives more than 3000km away?

[Fizbin]

08/08/2012 at 4:59 pm

That depends on what is custom about your files. If it is the standard 3-piece set with your name embedded, she should start easing off herself, as there are provisions to focus her attention on you to the exclusion of all others.

However, given her current behavior, chances are she’ll be super-sensitive to any action or comment on your part. You might, for example, express some sincere appreciation for how she has been helping around the house. If you’re interested in moving this relationship into a romantic direction, take her to a nice dinner as a “thank you”, and start treating it as a date. I doubt you’ll get much resistance.

A few days of Part 2 will almost certainly cement her commitment to you (which I hope you match). At that point, even a suggestion that you’re bothered by her “excessive” communication with Mr. West will probably result in a complete cut-off.

Please note, you’re playing around with a real person’s mind and emotions here. There is a reason Part 1 is called “Devoted Love”! If you take this any further, and then decide to drop her, she’s going to be devastated to an extent far beyond that “rough time” she was experiencing before she moved in. As it stands already, the only ethical way to let her down would be to come up with some custom file that would wean her away from you and allow her to (re)assert her independence.

But for now, if you want her, she is probably yours forever.

[trainer81]

08/10/2012 at 5:41 am

Hmm this is an interesting subject She sounds like a keeper my friend…

Like I always say take it slow and don’t rush things! For starters you need to get this girl to depend on you more to the point she can’t live without you.

What might interest you is the Slave Girl programs, I will Obey for one and My Future…

One thing to note is making sure she responds to you and not her soon to be ex.

I have have skype: gtstars and yahoo: trainer16nd if you want to chat further. Anyone else is welcome to text me as well

Good luck,

Trainer81

[Fizbin]

08/13/2012 at 7:17 pm

I hope this guy wasn’t a one-shot wonder. I’d love to hear how his adventures with Sarah are proceeding.

[Everything]

08/14/2012 at 3:00 am

Well, things have gotten complicated in the last week, where to begin.
Sarah didnt want to work alone so she invited to stay with us one of her old stripper friends who just came back to the country so they could work together. Great girl, but, she hears the sounds of the silent file so the speakers to the computer have been turned off whenever she has been around – Sarah only notices it when Mandy mentions it and unfortunately Mandy notices it immediately. I was told last Saturday (after wondering for a couple days why whenever I went to the computer I found the speakers off) I did manage later that night when Sarah and I slept on the sofas with number 2 playing after they got home from work on Saturday (Mandy went pretty much straight to bed that night).
Mandy is leaving tomorrow to go back to the city for a couple days and I hope to continue the programming then. (She returns Thursday)
Which brings us to problem number 2.
Last night I drove down for a meeting this morning from Pittsburgh (both girls were happy to see me when I stopped at the club after I got back tonight) but apparently overnight last night “Mr. West” messaged after they got home from work to say he is coming back out east. Sarah being drunk from work wasn’t really able to talk him out of it, and this morning he messaged her again to say he was getting on the bus. So. “Mr west” is now arriving here in few days (ironically also Thursday) – will be crashing at my place for a few days before going into the city to start his new job out here (basically he called up an old friend who gave him a restaurant job here). Sarah will be staying her when he goes to work in the city.
So proceeding will be a little more complicated. There will be more details below but @Fizbin – I have been complimenting and thanking her for all the work she has been doing around the house and her response has been wonderful. She is less active when I am not around the house (even with her friend here) and does seem to light up when I am around.
Also, shortly after I got to the club earlier tonight after my trip – they were in the smoking enclosure and upon hearing the noise of my jeep pulling in, she went to the edge of the enclosure to see if it was me arriving (she knew when I got home and that I would pop by shortly for a drink). It was quiet at the club (Monday night) and it appears she sent Mandy away to be with me alone and when we returned to the smokers pit, leaned against me and allowed me to wrap my arms around her. I also, when she told me the news of “mr west” I made a passing comment that he really didn’t try out west (he went out because he had a job there, didn’t start that job claiming he was trying to find a better one and didn’t want to start it if he was going to leave it, and after 2 weeks got on a bus this morning to return), she disagreed with me at the time but 10 minutes later turned to me and said I was probably right.
What I didnt mention in the first message is that we do have another deadline – she promised her 17 year old son that for October 1 she would have an apartment in the city so he could come stay with her (he lives with his other parent now) and with mr west returning, when we talked about it tonight she felt guilty saying something like she doesn’t want to leave me alone again after opening my house to her and her friends when she does have to do that. (she knows I only left the city a few months ago to assist an aging mother who lives near to my current house because living and working in the city and doing that commute most nights after work there and back was quite rough on me). She went out of her way to point out that once she returns to the city that she would still like to stay out here a couple days a week because she is enjoying the club she is working in compared to those in the city, as well as when I can she wants me to crash there (not a good idea I feel in her programming – better to be Master of my domain rather than a guest, especially if mr. west is going to be there, plus I am hoping when that happens that absence will make the heart grow fonder particularly if they aren’t split up already by then).
The once thing I can tell is that she seems to be responding to me rather than mr. west, I am curious how many times my name is repeated in the custom female ownership set (yes, it is the standard Female Ownership set with my name embedded). And yes trainer, I have added you to my yahoo so when you have time I would greatly appreciate any advice you can give.
Well, I was going to stop here but a little further background might also help. Sarah and I first met just over 15 years ago, she was hooked up with a friend of mine at the time. This was before she started stripping (I will get into that in a bit). I was leaving to take a job in China a couple months after we met, so when I gave up my apartment in the city then and went to stay in the burbs with family until the job started, she kept inviting me to come in to crash at their place (what I didn’t know at the time was they were on the rocks and she was happy for the company to break up the tension). That kept up until I left for China and we met up the first couple times I came back – on the first trip home I found that she had left her job at a pet store and started waitressing at a strip club, which got her interested in stripping, the following trip a few months later she had started stripping. Then something happened and we lost touch by the next trip home and we remained out of touch for the remainder of my time living in China (12 years). About a year after I got back we met up on facebook again – I was divorced, she was married and living the country life.
About a year ago her marriage broke up and we started talking more – at the time we didn’t realize that we were living about 5 blocks apart – she had returned to the city. (Between us we are now at three failed marriages – her 2 me 1). By the time we had finally met up in person, she had hooked up with Mr. west the week before (timing is everything). We continued as friends, and she and mr. west remained together until she lost her job, he quit his and the next thing I know they are asking to stay a few days before going to his first new job in a nearby town. She was miserable there the couple weeks they were there, and so he quit again deciding to go out west to find work while she remains out here because of her son – that catches you up on background until my first post, though I will admit I have found her fascinating since I first met her all those years ago and she has only gotten more so with age – let alone I will admit she has the body of someone 10 years younger than she is (the age she tells her clients at the strip club).
So here we are – all advice on what I am doing and how I am doing it is appreciated – as far as the other files, I figured it would be best for her to go through the ownership set before I started using other files on her, to ensure that she “bonded” with me.

[Everything]

08/14/2012 at 3:27 am

I just read Islander’s post and have adjusted the volume accordingly (though when I tried before to lower it, Mandy still noticed it). Sarah did go through the headaches the fist couple days of listening a couple weeks ago and hasn’t had any since, in fact she is quite relaxed and calm when it is on (except when Mandy mentions the noise).

[Fizbin]

08/14/2012 at 4:42 am

Thanks for the update! Yeah, you do have that whole Peyton Place thing going on, don’t you…

I’m not sure how many occurrences of your name would be in the modified file. Potentially quite a few, based on the original script. It depends on if Trainer uses a 100% substitution.

It is quite possible that the files have already set pretty well given the earlier repetition and your follow-up. In the next day or two, you might want to drop a couple hints that you’ve really enjoyed having her around (not just the things she’s been doing), wishing it didn’t have to end, and maybe that you feel guilty that you’re a teensy bit jealous of her going back to Mr. West (especially if you haven’t progressed with her physically, this last – feeling guilty about feeling jealous – could be particularly effective).

Don’t lay it on too thick! Just a word in passing, just once per thought, spread out over the next day or two. Let her own mind make the associations – like when you mentioned that Mr. West didn’t try that hard. Her knee jerk response was to defend him, but then she came around.

You have hit one nail on the head – once Mr. West comes back, things will be different from what she remembers. She won’t be getting her subliminal “fix”, what she’s heard over the last several weeks will still be resonating in her mind, and he won’t be you. They may actually break up pretty quickly. But, if they don’t and she does transfer her programming over to him (which, though unlikely, is possible – the female brain is a strange and flexible beast), be prepared to wish them well on their life together.

As for Mandy, it is nice that her hearing is so good, but too bad for you, too. Of course, if you could find a level where she doesn’t directly notice them playing, they would eventually affect her as well (though starting with file 2 isn’t as useful as file 1 because it assumes there is already “something” there to build on).

Do keep us posted!

[ELFWITCH]

08/14/2012 at 7:00 pm

Two thoughts: one, have you tried “Break up” under slave training? I used that for awhile, but it was so powerful, it kind of scared me. I don’t want to lose contact completely with my daughter, so I had to back off.

The other thought is that i listen to the subliminals on silent when i’m with my man, and he finds it annoying if he can hear the hissing or static, so i adjust the levels on my equalizer (listening on my computer) to “electronic” levels, rather than where I ordinarily have it set, which is quite loud (so i can be sure i hear it).

I don’t know your situation at all, so disregard these thoughts if they make no sense for you, but it does sound like the woman you’re working on could be made to do whatever you want if you choose to get her alone, and that means no longer allowing the second woman to stay, or, for that matter, the boyfriend. That’s not a situation conducive to your goals, it seems to me…

[Islander711]

08/14/2012 at 7:29 pm

You might just tell her that you would prefer that she not spend time with you when she is with Mr. West as you wouldn’t want him to get any jelous ideals and you would rather she just be with you. Sometimes you just need to be strait on some subjects and I belive this is one.

Also, if Mandy is around, play rain as you like the soothing sounds of the rain and it will mask the sounds she hears. Converter (rain) might be good as Sarah could probally use a refresher. Be warned that you might end up with 2 girls and it could be a problem between them so be sure you want to go there.

[Fizbin]

08/14/2012 at 7:43 pm

Hi Elf,

Good thoughts, but based on the point he’s at with her in the series (and assuming the 100% name replacement) the Master association hasn’t been made yet (it’s in file 3), so there isn’t a solid hook for the Break up file to attach her to. And that’s assuming she associates with Mr. West as the “family” she will lose contact with.

I do agree on the complications of having the (dis)interested parties involved.

[Fizbin]

08/14/2012 at 7:51 pm

Hi Islander,

Excellent point on the direct approach!

On the files, don’t forget, the 3-part Mastery series leads each file with some converter elements, so I’m not sure the dedicated converter would help with Sarah. Maybe with Mandy, but (fortunately?) she’s out of the picture in two days anyway.

I do like the idea of switching to rain, though. That could even hold while Mr. West is around if Evergreen says he just likes having the ambiance.

[Islander711]

08/14/2012 at 8:52 pm

I was thinking of converter when Mandy was around, wich was why I mentioned the caution.

I think the direct aproach would work because she has ‘feelings that she wants to stay’ and saying something would conferm what she is ‘feeling’.

I presently have a roomate rite now because he had a bit of bad luck and the Silents don’t seem to bother him the few times I play them when he is around so I don’t think the Rains would do any different.

[Everything]

08/15/2012 at 3:47 am

Thanks for the comments everyone.

First off, I only have the custom 3-part Mastery in silent, so until I feel those have done their work, I dont have the option for rain on those at the moment, and I would like Sarah to go through that set before I start to introduce other elements. Perhaps it is just me, but because of the situation, I think the bonding with me is first and foremost what needs to take place with other changes later.

Having said that, I found out when I let Sarah know when we talked on the phone as I was driving home from work today (don’t worry, hands free built into the car stereo) and moments after I told her I was going to take a work at home day tomorrow, is that Mandy went into the city early. So tonight and tomorrow Sarah and are are just on our own until late tomorrow night (Mandy is returning to town tomorrow evening in time to go directly to work – her work is next to the commuter train stop – I am going to suggest to Sarah to take the night off tomorrow sometime during the day tomorrow so we can enjoy our last chance at alone time together for the next week). Also conveniently mr. west will be out of mobile phone range for most of the time from about midnight tonight until late tomorrow evening as the bus he is on will be traveling north of lake superior. From when I pick her up from work in a couple hours until I intend on having number 2 playing constantly, though I may introduce a couple hours of number 3 now that I have found out that association that I am Master is only made during that file – just so it can be introduced before mr. west arrives.

Sarah has already told me tonight (when I dropped her off at work she realized she forgot her mobile phone and, being the caring man that I am, offered to drop it off later in the evening – when I did the following took place) that tonight we are both to spend the night on the sofas. There are a few reasons she suggested this, at least to her conscious mind, first off, so we can finish watching a TV series I introduced her to, and she has become quite concerned since staying with me with my sleep apnea, she notices I sleep better on the sofa than in bed (we haven’t been sleeping in the same bedroom – again, taking things slow – but she hears it from her room next door), she is able to sleep through my snoring but does wake when I struggle breathing, so she can watch over me better, and finally, so we can talk and spend time together. So basically, now that we have this brief alone time, she seems to want me around every moment of it that she can until mr. west arrives. That is my biggest clue that the suggestions are taking hold on her. She is also thinking of having me pick her up early from work tonight (midnight instead of 2am – so basically leaving the first moment she is allowed to rather than staying to see how much she can make until the end of the night).

Anyway, I will update on all that next time I am alone and can get on.

What am I planning for the next week?

Once Mandy has returned and mr. west has arrived, I plan on only playing the silents when Sarah and I are alone – from my cell phone when we are in the car, in the living room when she and I are having our late night tv/movie session after mr. west and mandy go to bed, and once mr. west starts working next week, whenever he is gone – again, and this is just my thought, please correct me if any of you have other thoughts on that, I am hoping that the suggestions linked to my presence will accelerate the bonding. Also, Sarah and I tend to be up much earlier than the others so I will also have a chance to continue playing the files when I have work at home days and on weekends. (Work at home days will be increasing at the end of the month due to space limitations in my plant – the new phone system I ordered will be installed then with me getting an extension that will ring at my house – gotta love pbx lines and IP phone systems – we are converting my private office into a conference room so I can free up the existing space for a few more engineers I hired until the office lease is up in a year).

Islander, do you have any thoughts on that since you have been playing the files for your wife when the house guest has been around it would be greatly appreciated?

I also meditate most days and I may spend a few days with the crowd around claiming to have difficulty meditation, which will give me an excuse to start playing rain sounds – I will look for some rain sounds to mix my custom set into – or if there is one set any of you know of that I could use it would be wonderful. I have open stairwells so whatever I am listening to to meditate will carry through my townhouse.

Islander, I do agree with you about wanting to minimize the time where both mr. west and I am together and telling Sarah about it – I am planning on making that move sometime next week once mr. west has started working again – she had mentioned the idea to me that he stay here full time longer than just decompress and when work starts commuting back and forth into the city but I would rather he crash in the city then on days he is working (4-5 days a week working nights). I just have to figure out when that time comes what would be the best way to broach that subject – there will be no place for Sarah to crash with him in the city until the beginning of October when she gets the place for her and her son (her son will only be with her there 3 nights a week – she still has in mind that mr. west will join her there too).

And Fizbin, I am getting the sense that there shouldn’t be too much transference of the programming Sarah has received from me to mr. west – the big reason is I am now in the role of caretaker, not just of Sarah, but also her friend and soon mr. west. I provide the house, I am the driver (Sarah’s car has desperately needed repairs since she has arrived and is almost undrive-able – it has been sitting in the visitor’s parking in my townhouse complex since the day she arrived – it is not her top priority to repair it) and since I changed my schedule to pick her up from work in a sense I am also her security – and she has started to introduce me to people at her work not as her roommate as she did the first week, but as the generous person who took the “lost girl” in. She is literally saying to a couple of the girls she works with at the club as well as when she introduced me to the manager there tonight that she wouldn’t know what she would have done had I not opened my home to her. (when she arrived she was literally broke, no place to stay, car on its last legs holding as many of her belongings as she could fit in it and her dog). Anyway, continuing to maintain the caretaker role the next little while, particularly the next week while mr. west is decompressing will show a nice contrast between us.

Fitzbin, I also like the suggestions you made regarding not just thanking her for the things she has been doing around the house but also the suggestions of really enjoying her around, wishing it didnt have to end and perhaps that little line about the jealousy with mr. west returning. I feel tonight an tomorrow this might make a very big impact on her, especially with mr. west’s impending (and until a couple days ago unexpected return). I am also thinking that tonight and tomorrow I may also make a comment or two regarding how nice it is to be alone without Mandy as well, “just the two of us” as a feeler to see how she reacts.

Elfwitch – what I would love to know is how you might hear anything when the files are playing – now or when you first started – that might help me understand why sarah notices it whenever Mandy mentions it, but not otherwise.

Well, this has been long winded enough for tonight and I should be getting a message shortly to come and pick sarah up early from work. I will update when I can and look forward to seeing all comments and suggestions you might have. Thanks for all the advise so far.

[Everything]

08/15/2012 at 4:31 am

Slight update in the few minutes since posting – the sms conversation about picking Sarah up from work (in italicized brackets is me elaborating – normal brackets part of the conversation):

Me – How are things going over there?
Sarah – I have one more (stage) show. Going to stay until 1. Is that alright?
Me – Since you have one more stage show, yes, that is alright. I will come for 1 and wait in the car for you (don’t really feel like going back into that noise tonight). I will see you in an hour. You dont mind if I dont come in?
Sarah – I am done (12:30pm)
Dave – On my way.

[Fizbin]

08/15/2012 at 5:24 am

Good luck. The other thing about 3 is that it also strengthens a sense of how she feels when you aren’t there. (Let’s just say, being with you is better than being without you…)

[Compel]

08/17/2012 at 7:22 am

Quote from Everything on August 14, 2012, 03:27
I just read Islander’s post and have adjusted the volume accordingly (though when I tried before to lower it, Mandy still noticed it). Sarah did go through the headaches the fist couple days of listening a couple weeks ago and hasn’t had any since, in fact she is quite relaxed and calm when it is on (except when Mandy mentions the noise).

Which Islander post mentions volume? Can you point it out or cut and paste the URL here? I missed that post.

Thx in advance, and good luck in your efforts.

[Fizbin]

08/18/2012 at 3:44 pm

Hi Elf,

Quote from ELFWITCH on August 14, 2012, 19:00
Two thoughts: one, have you tried “Break up” under slave training? I used that for awhile, but it was so powerful, it kind of scared me. I don’t want to lose contact completely with my daughter, so I had to back off.

I know what the file says, but what kinds of feelings was it creating in you that made you fear you actually would totally lose contact (and possibly be happy about it)?
(I wish this forum had a Private Message capability…)

[Fizbin]

08/19/2012 at 8:58 am

At this point, I hope things went well, and that none of the participants in this drama ended up in the hospital!

[Everything]

08/19/2012 at 1:14 pm

No one in the hospital yet Fizbin, here is a quick update before the others start to wake up.

Well, since mr. west arrived it has been awkward around the house. As I expected, the 2 week absence made the heart grow fonder, and the two have coupled back up. I do have a couple things going for me though during this time – Sarah wakes up in the morning while mr west sleeps 3-4 hours later (I am expecting sarah up in the next half hour or so) and mr. west does not notice the sounds from the file. mr. west has joined sarah on the sofa closest to the computer speaker (sarah has decided that that is where she is most comfortable).
I have decided to keep the files playing when I am in the room and mandy is not (I have a remote for the speaker so I can turn it on and off from across the room).
Yesterday morning though I did point out to Sarah that the dynamic around the house has changed, now that mr west returned and they have ‘coupled up.’ I pointed out to specific examples like when mr. west tagged along for me to pick her up to work the night before and I was barely spoken to (when we returned to the house later that night she went to bed and did not say goodnight to me either), and the same seems to be happening when the three of us are in the room when Mandy is not around. Sarah apologized for those actions to me and said she would make an effort for that to change – I will advise next time I post if it does.
mr. west is starting his job in the city on Monday, but for now is planning, rather than crash at a friend’s in the city the nights he is working to come out here on the last commuter train of each night
This morning my plan is to run the amy converter again for the 3-5 hours that Sarah and I have alone before the others wake, then tomorrow start again with the first file of my custom training set.
This coming week I have a couple work at home days coming up, I will play my custom set those days while I am home and the others are asleep, and simply leave the amy converter playing on the days that I am not home, in the hopes that Sarah notices the difference of my presence versus my absence, especially the mornings where we are both up without the others.
Mandy did point out to me when I took her to the licence bureau on Friday (she needed to get a new parlour licence) that sarah has been torn over mr. west returning because of her fondness for both of us.
I also have been spared being a third wheel this weekend as Mandy’s plans for the weekend fell through. And again having her around is allowing me to have a distinction between when the files are on or off, which at this point in Sarah’s training, I feel is a good thing.

@Compel – the islander conversation about volume is in his thread regarding programming his wife – I dont remember where in the 4 pages of posts it is in there but it is in there.
I will advise how things continue to go when I can.

[Fizbin]

08/19/2012 at 2:20 pm

The problem here is that a woman’s affections are rarely logical. If she’s got a real attraction to Mr. West, you can’t “persuade” her with pro/con arguments.

The contrast between playing when you’re there and not there might be helpful, as the thoughts do appear to her to be coming from her own mind.

The Converter can work as a good “neutral” or control file, as although it addicts the listener to the voice and recordings, it does not otherwise promote any behavior toward a particular person. That might make Mandy more accommodating to hearing the other files without complaint, though. (The potential complications of that were mentioned by another poster…)

Now that Mr. West is physically present, I would put the focus back on File 1, as submission and ownership really need to take a back seat to focusing her affection and attention on you alone.

[Islander711]

08/20/2012 at 7:51 am

I agree, you need to keep her affection and attention on you while not confronting Mr. West, you don’t want her to defend him. If that stays successful then, if he ever says or does anything agienst you she will defend you and he will be out. Just be low keyed and let the scripts work. Remember that you have a hidden ace in the hole.

[Everything]

08/20/2012 at 12:45 pm

Thanks guys and here is how I have set things up since yesterday – TV in my bedroom with all picture turned off, very loudly blasting amy converter at all times (level 80 out of 100) with the door closed. I know when I have other things on that tv with the door closed you can hear it all through the top floor of my house so I am giving it a try – Mandy hasnt made a comment about it yet so it seems I can keep it at that level. I also returned to playing track 1 exclusively on my computer, on when Sarah and I are alone, off when either mr. west or Mandy are around.

For the next 3 days we also have an nice schedule around the house – Sarah working 11am-6pm, mr west gone to the city from 12:30pm until close to 2am (he picked up some shifts at the restaurant he used to work at and is about to discover the 2 hour commute he will have to go in and out of work) and Mandy working evenings 5pm-1am. Today and tomorrow I have work at home days, than am back to the office 9am-5pm the rest of the week. Conveniently (not planned but a happy coincidence, I am unable to pick mr. west from the commuter train as I am violently allergic to shellfish and he is working at an oyster bar, so at night he will be returning from the train station via taxi and once home is immediately off to the shower here the moment he walks in the door (yes, I am making a stop at the doctors today to get a new epi-pen just in case).

Now last night I was messaged to pick up Sarah early from work (she fell by the dj booth just before going on stage and her knee was swollen when I got there) and she was a little upset that mr. west was not in the car with me. When both girls were at work, he was watching tv in the living room and I was in my bedroom, when I had gotten the message on my phone to come and get her, he and her dog were out walking – it had sounded like she needed to get home so I didn’t wait for him.

She confronted me in the car about it on the way home, and about other behaviour I had shown the last couple days, acting weird as she put it – I had been taking breaks from the crowd of people when I needed it, I have been living alone for a long time before this past month began so I am not used to having a full house. I admitted that I am not used to all the people around and that was the reason for the breaks I had been taking and I will be adjusted in a couple days, basically admitting it is all me and reassuring her that I am dealing with it and it will soon pass.

She continued on with her criticisms of my secluding myself but as she did, the words she was saying turned from being upset with me about “being weird” to admitting she put me in an impossible situation of taking in not only her but her friend and boyfriend and that it was rather “rude” of her to impose all that on me after I took “the lost little girl” in and that I had not made a word of complaint about it. I re-assured her as to what it really was, that I am just not used to so many people around all the time and that I will try to deal better and within a couple days everything will be fine, whereby she became very visibly happy and smiling upon hearing it.

As our drive home continued, she admitted that I am her closest friend in the world, and about the only person she trusts, but that Mandy too is very important to her but hurting now and she needs to care for her (Mandy has a complicated situation too whereby she just moved back from Australia after a couple miserable years there leaving her son behind with his father and not dealing with it well) and that mr. west has been in her life for a year now and that she loves him but it is important to her that I be around too. She then informed me (to my secretly smiling face) that mr. west may leave again soon as he got a call back from a job bar tending at a resort in the Dominican Republic he had previously applied for on the weekend and may be leaving her again in a couple weeks if he gets it.

It became clear at that moment how I need to behave for the next few weeks – to simply continue to be the “rock” that Sarah now depends on and allow events to unfold on their own and watch what happens. That I feel is a significant change of her view of my role in her life, since until recently we had been out of contact for close to 15 years, and major definitive proof her programming is clearly working. When we got home, I made a point of spending an hour in the living room with Sarah and mr. west before going to bed – although working at home today I do have to be alive to work today, so they both understood when I retired at 1am. (Mandy was still working but getting a ride home from the dj so I didn’t have to stay up to pick her up).

And on that note, thank you Fizbin for your advise since my last post – I had made that change shortly afterwards after peeking in to read it yesterday and your re-assurance about it Islander only makes me more confident about the course I have chosen to take in the coming weeks. And I will keep you all updated as the events unfold in the house that seems to almost be turning into a soap opera (I cant wait till this drama subsides and it returns to being simply me and what I expect will soon be my happy, obedient Sarah serving me soon enough).

[Fizbin]

08/20/2012 at 4:34 pm

Glad you have such solid evidence of the file working!

I have a concern about “blasting” the converter through the TV in the bedroom. For reasons I mentioned in another post, you could also be blasting your TV’s tweeters (not to mention folks’ ability to hear in the hypersonic range of the file) into oblivion. Most sounds are pitched much lower, and many speakers aren’t designed to be driven by such a narrow band of high frequencies at any significant volume for long periods of time.

As for what to play (at reasonable volumes )
After reviewing the scripts in light of your update describing her responses, I don’t think it would hurt to mix in a bit of files 2 and 3, just to keep the variety. These files do have some statement of devotion and love, in addition to promoting a need to be with you and a developing sense of loss when you aren’t around. I would still keep the mix heavy on file 1, though.

Key words of wisdom “take it slow”. Just be the rock. Be lovable. Don’t try forcing her to love you, just let it happen.

DO, however, ask her to do some trivial thing for you that she isn’t just automatically doing. For example, she’s already volunteering to clean up around the house – while still being appreciative of the things she is doing “for you” ask her to do something in a specific way, or to put certain things away just so. Anything at all that is different from how she is doing it on her own. This can trigger some of the factors of her “proving her love” (in this case, not proving it to you, but to herself) by “obeying” you and doing things for you. Whatever you do, however, DO NOT bring up the “proving her love” concept. Just ask nicely in the course of normal conversation.

Don’t be “weird” as she calls it. Weird and Creepy are kissing-cousins, and you don’t want to be either. Nothing will turn a woman off more completely or permanently than being creeped out.

[Islander711]

08/20/2012 at 5:02 pm

Weird could just be her way of stating different. It could just be her way of stating that she is feeling weird, things are changing in the way she is thinking and she hasn’t got the concept in a way she can state it

[Everything]

08/20/2012 at 8:00 pm

Weird was her way of stating different from the norm – as in not as social as normal. I do think she is starting to project jealous feelings onto me (as in expecting how that I should feel for her). Her jump to that assumption did surprise Me since at this point in our many years, we haven’t had that type of relationship. She got a full 2 hours in the living room of file 1 (at 18 out of 30 volume) as well as 30 minutes in the car of it playing off my mobile phone while we drove (under the car stereo) to her work today.I will give her another dose when I pick her up this evening on the way home (it wont be playing at home tonight because I just found out Mandy is taking the night off tonight – Mandy is on schedule at the club every night the rest of the week, Sarah is on schedule for the daytime through Friday, then working Friday and Saturday night at the other club).

Mandy did notice the volume of the Amy converter playing through my door when she woke up a few minutes ago, I just turned to down to half it was set at (40 out of 100) and I will see if she notices when she returns from her run she is on now. I will decrease it again further if she notices, but she hasn’t for the past couple days when it was set to 50 so it should be fine. I am testing the computer speakers playing the amy converter this afternoon with Mandy at 5 out of 30 with the tv on and so far since waking Mandy hasn’t notice, but she might when she returns from her job – I will advise.

I have noticed one other change in Sarah that I believe began yesterday. Unless it is a one line quickie, she is calling me rather than sending an sms message. Last night when she was changed after work she called rather than message me to tell Me she was going outside, and today after dropping her off again she called to thank me for the ride – before it would simply be an sms message on my phone. with mr west it is almost invariably sms messages (except when he was out west they had planned call times). I will advise if this keeps up.

@Fizbin – I do like your advice, thanks, I will see what I can ask that might not be a put out but slightly out of the norm, simple things.

[Fizbin]

08/20/2012 at 8:40 pm

Sounds good on the results so far.

One concern – when Mandy notices the sound, are you springing to action, knowing immediately what to correct, or are you fixing them without drawing attention to yourself? If you’ve been noticed as fixing the problems, you might want to come up with some excuse like having this problem ever since some electrical storm a couple months ago. You have “good” surge protectors now, but didn’t at the time. (Most decent manufacturers actually guarantee the equipment plugged into their protectors against surges.)

As for the calling rather than texting, yes, there is a specific call out to the sound of your voice, so that could very well be another sign of effectiveness.

Good luck!

[Everything]

08/21/2012 at 8:05 am

Actually, 9 times out of 10 I allow her to quietly turn off the computer speaker without me noticing. The conversation came up about a week and a half ago where they asked me if I could hear something and I couldn’t (btw – mr west cannot hear it either), so I leave it to her to turn it off when she notices it, unless she brings it up with me. We also live on an isthmus with a large metal bridge for a highway passing behind the townhouse complex we live in, and they have noticed the satellite radio cut out in the car while we drive down the street, so she is assuming it is that interfering with the electronics. Again, Sarah only notices when Mandy mentions it. The few times I have turned it off when Mandy hasn’t said anything has been from a remote she doesn’t realize I have for the speakers (gotta love mp3 player speakers) and since I have the same speakers in multiple rooms in the house (living room, kitchen, my bedroom and the exercise room, I keep 2 sets of the remote in the living room – one near my chair with the other tv remotes and one at my desk, so it isn’t visible that I am changing the volume. Having said that I am going to try the new file that Trainer put up on the site today to get people used to listening to the silent files and see if that helps. (BTW, she noticed it playing at 5 out of 30 today on the computer speakers and turned them off when she thought I wasn’t looking).

I am going to try out your idea tomorrow evening when the others are out, having Sarah help me with something special. After I drop Mandy off at work and pick Sarah up, well Sarah had mentioned that when trying to wake me up my room (I had asked her too when I went for a nap this evening – she did so when Mandy went to bed) needs to be cleaned (I never really completely unpacked since I moved in), almost offering to do it but more mentioning it. So that will be the first task I will have her help me with tomorrow – finish unpacking and cleaning my room. I am able to send the sounds from the computer to any of the speakers via Bluetooth so I will have the sounds playing while we clean (we wont be using the speakers as I will have the tv playing satellite radio while we clean – only one set at a time thanks to Windows). Since it will be presented as following up on her suggestion, I think it will go over well. Ill let you know.

On that note, time for me to get back to bed – I am in the office tomorrow but doing more work at home on Wednesday. I will post more when I can.

[trainer81]

08/22/2012 at 11:39 pm

Well I have to say this is a complex situation, Everything but like Fiz say’s you need to take a few chances here.

Bottom line is how far do you want to go with her? Start seeing her more, taking her out on the town like to movie and all the stuff Mr. West never would…

Just because my girl is a slave I don’t stop treating her right

Start giving her the treatment of a good boyfriend

Trainer81

[Islander711]

08/23/2012 at 3:52 am

I agree wit trainer81, It’s time to start speiping into the boyfriend shoes. Then it will be up to her to decide on what to do with Mr. West (apperantly because you never really said to choose)

[Fizbin]

08/23/2012 at 4:45 am

That’s sort of where I was leading with the suggestions of starting with a “Thank you” dinner and transitioning it into a date.

The cleaning date is definitely a good start. There could be lots of opportunities for incidental and “accidental” physical contact. And that’s not to mention a nice, warm, thank you hug at the end…

[ztshp]

08/24/2012 at 8:51 pm

I personally would use it on mandy too, it would take care of two birds with one stone so to speak

[Everything]

08/27/2012 at 12:47 pm

Well, here is a short update as I do not have much time.
A couple nights ago, mr. west admitted to Sarah he is feeling emasculated staying here and has asked her to accelerate their finding an apartment in the city (she told me the following morning when I drove her to work – asking Me of course not to reveal to mr. west that she did). She is finding that he is becoming very high maintenance, but because she needs to get a place in the city for the sake of her son, she is proceeding with it, with her covering the costs since he hasn’t been paid yet by his job (emasculating him further).
They did go into the city Saturday night, had no luck all day Sunday apartment hunting – where he stayed in the city to continue looking, she returned here late last night and settled into her place on the sofa, looking completely exhausted from the experience. Until they find a place, mr. west will be staying in the city on the days he is working as well rather than return here.
Sarah is talking about, because of the difficulties they have been having in finding an apartment to see if they can get a place of a couple month sublet, rather than lock into a long term lease (at least that is the rationalization I see forming in her mind) as well, she is now planning on being here for the time being 3-4 nights a week because she is making more money here at the club here than she could at a club in the city (she told me last night when I picked her up from the commuter train). It sounds like she plans on only being in the city on the days she has her son, and remaining here the rest of the time without mr. west.
Last night she decided to sleep immediately upon returning home on the sofa rather than in her room upstairs (ownership file 1 was playing when she got home and she settled in nicely almost immediately, with it playing all night while she slept). I also took care of her dog while she was away, including walking her so she could sleep to the subliminals when she got home.
Unfortunately, I have to head up north to attend a family funeral today, but I will leave the subliminals playing on the computer when I leave (until Mandy turns the speakers off) as well as have them playing on the tv from my room at half volume (which will remain on since Mandy refuses to go into My room).
When I return from the funeral in a couple days, I plan on picking Sarah up from work the night I return and take her to a Chinese restaurant I have been raving about since she arrived, but that we have not had a chance to go to. That will be our “first date” (Sarah is working days and and Mandy is working evenings so it will be our first alone time outside the house in weeks). Yes, I agree the date suggestion was a wonderful one, and finally I will have the opportunity to do so.
I am also starting to look more physically attractive (I was attractive before but had gained a fair bit of weight) as the diet and exercise program I have started since the girls arrived is starting to show its effects (I lost 4 lbs last week alone).
The direction I suspect things are going, I think mr. west is going to try to force the issue with Sarah a week or two after they get the apartment in the city. Sarah seems only to be going forward with accelerating her plans to return to the city because (according to her) 1) her son and 2) because mr. west came all the way back from out west to be with her (not out of love in the words she shared with me but more out of guilt). I suspect as mr. west gets a few paychecks, he will ask Sarah to stop coming out this way for work, and that will be tipping point – when he forces her to choose between him and I. With over a month’s programming now with the first file in the ownership set, I expect that demand will be the beginning of the end of the two of them. (note: she could have stayed in the city until today, but she chose to return here without him to be home for the night before working later today – she doesn’t work until noon today – she even started sending me sms messages from 5pm yesterday onwards until I picked her up from the train last night).
I will send my next update later this week after I return from the funeral and will advise how the date went. The key now is for me to remain low to no maintenance, be the rock Sarah relies on even while I go through the funeral, and ensure that no pressure is placed on her by me, allowing mr. west to screw up and emasculate himself further.

[Fizbin]

08/28/2012 at 10:21 am

My condolences to you on your family’s loss. Be well.

[Everything]

08/31/2012 at 12:25 am

Thanks Fizbin,
I am home from the tripwaiting for sarah to get home – I will update later.

[Fizbin]

08/31/2012 at 9:54 am

Welcome back! I’m sure we’re all looking forward to hearing whether absence has made the heart grow fonder, or whether the mice played while the cat was away…

[Everything]

09/01/2012 at 4:37 am

Well, it seems while I was away the mice didn’t play – they continued their apartment hunt, unsuccessfully (Sarah asked Me today if they can stay another month). They however have also not had much physical contact either – in fact last night they slept on separate couches rather than go to bed. Mr. west is in the city now till Sunday – he has decided he is not going to commute in and out for work but instead stay in the city on the nights he has to work.
Unfortunately date night didn’t happen tonight either – Mandy wasn’t working today so she tagged along. Tomorrow both girls are scheduled to work day shift, but are planning on staying late to make more money – Sarah is planning on continuing for only a couple hours extra where Mandy is planning on pulling a full double, so Sarah and I should get a few hours alone together tomorrow night.
Sarah has also had headaches the last few days (the files were off since I went away and her headaches have been growing since). Should I give her another few days without it on (it has been a full month and change of her listening) or should I have it playing for her tomorrow night when Mandy is still at work and mr. west is away? please advise.
Well, that is it for now, ill check in tomorrow while the girls are at work to see if there is any advise on my last question.

[Islander711]

09/01/2012 at 8:38 am

Try playing something, she might be expecting to hear something.

[Fizbin]

09/01/2012 at 10:51 am

I agree with putting something back on, whether it is one of your custom set, or a converter. Maybe now a rotation of the silent converter, and files 1 and/or 2.

PS – I thought you said you had left them playing when you went away. Did Mandy turn them off? Have you started to see any changes in Mandy’s behavior towards you?

[Everything]

09/01/2012 at 4:38 pm

Yes, Mandy turned them off while I was away. And there is little to no change in her behaviour, she is completely turned off men (her ex is being a dick with her from overseas), Sarah even mentioned to me when I was taking them into work and we had stopped at a coffee shop for Mandy to run in and get herself an espresso, that Mandy seems in her opinion, ungrateful for all I have been giving them.
This morning Sarah got an hour of number 1 before Mandy came down and proceeded immediately and obviously to turning off the speaker. I think Mandy is going to move out in a couple weeks, as it seems (she is going back to school) that it will take her over an hour each way by city bus to travel to it. She hasn’t said anything to me about it yet, except dropping those comments.
It also seems that mr. west’s boss is going to be away the last 10 days of September, and he as offered his place for he and Sarah to stay in so they can apartment hunt (it was apparently offered last night, Sarah told me this morning). I am going to be away for a trade show 5 of those days (I can certainly use a trip to Vegas), and had been counting on Sarah watching my dog during that time. She said we can talk about it this evening.
I had sent a note to Trainer asking about the effects he had been having with Sledgehammers, and I would love to know what you guys think of them now that you have tried them, I am considering having custom Sledgehammer made up personalized for Sarah. How have you seen/experienced their effects now that some of you have tried them on your gfs/wives/slaves?

[ztshp]

09/02/2012 at 6:47 pm

The headaches in my experience as limited as it is are a sign of serious mental change or the fight the host mind is haveing against the programing

[Fizbin]

09/03/2012 at 12:22 am

Actually, I would consider the conspicuous turn-off of the speakers (and her turning off the ones in your room while you were away as well) to be an active change – possibly in reaction to the conflict between her man-hatred and the thoughts being injected through the files. In fact, I would call that an act of defiance. (As in – “I dare you to question me for turning these things off.”)

I also hope you are either using the Lee player in cloaked mode and/or have a password on your PC screen saver…

I would suggest stepping up to the challenge with something firm like: “I’m sorry the electronic noise in my speakers bothers you. But, this is my house, and I like the convenience of being able to turn on my music without the extra hassle of turning on the speakers, too. Nobody else seems to notice the noise. Mr. West and I can’t hear it at all, and Sarah only notices it when you point it out. I can try adjusting the volume so that it isn’t as noticeable for you, or you can ask me to turn them off when it really bothers you. But, I ask you to respect the fact that you are a guest in my home, and that as Master of the house, the choice is mine to make.” At which point, you turn the speakers back on and adjust the volume down somewhat.

[tonguester4_69]

09/03/2012 at 4:01 am

I agree with Fizbin. If you allow Mandy to dictate to you in your own house in front of others,she is challenging you. Fizbin’s suggestion seems very reasonable and while she may try to argue there’s no reasonable excuse.Apart from the whole thing with Sarah do you really want guests in your house feeling that they can disrespect you? Sarah already feels Mandy is ungrateful so taking a stand is relatively risk free.

[Islander711]

09/03/2012 at 8:03 am

It also shows that you are the master because you said so, and no one is likely to disagree. Also you are giving her a chance to ask your permission to do something in your house

[Everything]

09/04/2012 at 3:47 am

The last couple days I have seen some unusual behavior in Sarah. When we are alone in the mornings, she is docile and obedient, doing what she feels I wish to please me. When Mandy is around she is more confident and sticking up for herself, and when mr. west is around, well she is acting like his girlfriend again. Now I have gone ahead and am having Trainer make me a custom sledgehammer – Female Ownership mp3 1 – because I am hoping that the “community pressure” will break her down faster, but if anyone has other suggestions, please feel free to suggest them.
As far as Mandy is concerned, it is definite she is moving out in a couple weeks, so she is also becoming more brazen in her behaviour, I suspect because she is leaving soon. I would rather have the wedge built between Sarah and her since they work together and have been passively fostering that wedge – I want Sarah to see Mandy as ungrateful to Me so she will begin to see Mandy as being ungrateful to her as well – any suggestions as to how I may foster that as well?

[Islander711]

09/04/2012 at 9:36 am

I thing in this case it will just happen without much effort from you. Just showing your displeasure in how you are treated by Mandy to Sarah will do the job, expecially if you tell Sarah how much you appreciate what she is doing. I also think you just need to turn the speakers back on anytime you see them off with an annoyed look to Mandy.

I do think that you will come to a point where you need to tell Sarah that she needs to choose you or Mr. West. I believe that that will be your declarition of ownership to Sarah and she must choose then. I think you are well on the way to getting that.

[Fizbin]

09/04/2012 at 3:58 pm

Well, again, I think you need to start stepping up and asserting your actual Mastery of your own home, including reprimanding Mandy for messing with your stuff. That doesn’t mean to be mean, but definitely you want to show yourself as in charge.

As for Mr. West, perhaps this is something the new custom file could address to some extent, but unless he is doing something improper (beyond actually treating his girlfriend like his girlfriend) there isn’t a lot you can do to directly undermine him. Unless perhaps you confess to Sarah that having her around has stirred feelings that make you feel protective of her, and maybe a little jealous, too. Still, that’s probably a last resort in this case.

[Everything]

09/05/2012 at 12:19 pm

Well, Mandy is away until Friday, so I will work on mildly assert myself on the weekend.
I am shaking up what is playing downstairs until my new custom sledgehammer is ready – as of this morning I just started playing accepting slavery. IT has been well over a month since Sarah has been listening to file 1 and the custom sledgehammer is also for the first file of Female Ownership – Devoted Love, so we will see how things go.
Last night I was up a little later than I normally would when not having to pick up one of the girls from work and got to witness mr. west struggle to try to convince a sleeping Sarah to move from the sofa to upstairs. (Female Ownership non sledgehammer was playing through the speakers). After watching him try for a few minutes and her not wanting to move, all it took was a few words from me (context – the night before they both fell asleep on the sofa watching tv and were both still sleeping through my going through emails in the morning – no morning news for me yesterday – which Sarah apologized to me for via sms while I was at work yesterday), “Sarah, why dont you go upstairs and get some sleep so you dont feel bad for disrupting my morning routine again” and she promptly got up and proceeded upstairs to sleep.
I have to run to work but I will update more later.

[Fizbin]

09/05/2012 at 4:48 pm

My suggestion would be, if you are going to use that file, rotate it with File 3 in your other set. Although File 1 was a prerequisite, you could get by without File 2 in the series given her present behavior.

She’s already got the love and desire to please you generally from File 1.

File 3 emphasizes how empty life would be without you, and introduces you as her master.

These dovetail very nicely with the messages in Accepting Slavery, which describes how great it would be to please and serve her master, which is you.

[Fizbin]

09/05/2012 at 4:56 pm

P.S. File 3 also includes some love lock-in for you as opposed to anyone else, which may help with the Mr. West situation.

[Everything]

09/07/2012 at 11:49 am

Just a quick update today:
I got the custom sledgehammer from Trainer and downloaded and started playing it yesterday morning. Mr. West has been around so her attentions have been focused on him – but I think that is the side effects of a new file (I also think the volume of the file is lower as no bars are appearing on my speaker when I have the light on) but Sarah has moved from her calm self to one with more energy. I am going to continue having it play through the weekend (mr. west is gone to the city later today – he is working there through Sunday and wont be commuting back late at night after his shifts).
Mandy is supposedly returning today, we haven’t heard from her but we do know she is on schedule at the bar for the night shift tonight – Sarah is on days today and tomorrow so will get a good dose alone tonight and tomorrow. I suspect with mr. west not here that she will return to sleeping on the sofa next to the speaker playing as she has been before.
Also, Sarah’s criticisms of Mandy have increased, and she is noticing it and is rationalizing them as “we are getting on everyone’s nerves, being in the same house together.”
Finally, Sarah told me the plan for when she returns to the city, and yesterday asked permission to stay here Wednesday through Saturday – she is getting herself scheduled for the Wednesday through Friday shifts at the bar after the move (Saturday through Tuesdays her son will be staying with her in the city).
@Fitzbin – I like your idea of mixing File 3 into the mix, I think I am going to wait for after a week of the sledgehammer playing before mixing it in. SO perhaps Thursday or Friday of next week I will put on the old custom 3 I have (I have already talked with Trainer about doing custom sledgehammers of 2 and 3 after my next payday, plus I want to see what the effects are of the first one before continuing to expand on them), plus at that point it will be closer to when she moves to the city, but as well will be just before I have a work trip to Vegas (trade show), so it will be interesting to see the effects of that 5 day absence before she moves out.
Anyway, time to get ready for work – ill update more when I can. As always comments and suggestions are always welcome.

[Fizbin]

09/07/2012 at 12:56 pm

I would still put in File 3 sooner rather than later, especially if she’s going to be spending more time with Mr. West. The lock-in is more important than the slave desires at this point.

[Everything]

09/07/2012 at 7:48 pm

Well, since this morning, we found out that Mandy is now going to be away for another week, so the next 48 hours (when I pick Sarah up from work) is just Sarah and I. (Mandy apparently had dental surgery this morning and is going to stay in the city at her mother’s for the next week).
Trainer told me that after testing the levels of the sledgehammers have changed, which is good, I wanted to make sure it wasn’t an empty file, so tonight – through the night, till Sarah goes to work tomorrow I will play the new custom sledgehammer, then after I pick her up from work tomorrow I will follow Fizbin’s suggestion and play file 3 until mr. west returns Sunday, then continue to alternate between the two (1 day sledgehammer, 1 day file 3) until I go to Vegas.
Ill keep you up to date as I go.

[Everything]

09/13/2012 at 1:12 pm

It has been a few days so time for an update.

First off, I have been playing the custom sledgehammer (female Ownership 1) my custom normal (female ownership3) and his happiness with Sarah for the past week. but her life has gotten complicated – mr. west has temporarily an apartment in the city for the next 10 days and as of yesterday Sarah is staying there except for when she is working. They also found an apartment to move into at the end of the month. Mandy is still nowhere to be seen or heard from, so at this point we have no clue if she is returning or not.

Sarah will be staying here tonight after work, then is returning to the city tomorrow after work. Next week she will be here from Wednesday onwards, including when I go to Vegas to watch My dog. mr. west will not be here until a week from Saturday – when his boss returns and he can no longer use the temp apartment – so I wont see him before leaving for Vegas.

It is hard to tell how Sarah has been affected of late, before going into the city yesterday, Sarah spend the previous few days with mr. west without me around – to go into the city to look at apartments and a date night with him. Sarah did make a comment about having me stay over with them at their new place in the city – a situation I should avoid so she can miss me (ill use my allergy to shellfish and mr. west’s employment in an oyster bar as my excuse) – I didnt mention anything at the time because I did not want to spoil her new apartment high.

So tonight seems to be the make or break point at this time – something I need to do very delicately. I am picking her up from work at 10:30, where we will go somewhere nice for work (ill have the custom sledgehammer playing on my phone). I think tonight the key will be talking with her about how much I enjoy having her around, that after being a hermit for so long how much I will miss her company, basically working with her to start to open up and trigger the programming she has been receiving for the last 2 months. Not completely revealing myself, but admitting how quiet it was around with her not around this week and how I am enjoying our one alone night. At home I will have file 3 playing.

Since tomorrow is payday, I will go ahead and get the custom sledgehammers for files 2 and 3, and hopefully trainer will have time to have them ready when Sarah returns on Wednesday. I want to get the lock-in and missing me completely bound in her before I leave for Vegas, so that even if mr. west is still here with her that week, my absence will be deeply felt by her. (I am hoping that feeling will start building in her over this weekend until she returns next Wednesday that my absence is truly felt in her while she is in the city).

So basically it is time to let nature, and her programming, begin to work it’s magic. Any advice between now and 9pm tonight for any suggestions or comments on my plans today are greatly appreciated, and comments for my basically being silent with her from tomorrow till her return Wednesday is also greatly appreciated.

[Fizbin]

09/13/2012 at 3:29 pm

It sounds like you have a solid plan. I wouldn’t change anything, but just be prepared for any possible reaction to your revelation, from relief and a declaration of eternal love, all the way to righteous indignation/anger, or a “Let’s just be friends”. Even nothing at all.

[Everything]

09/13/2012 at 10:30 pm

Well, the revelation may not happen tonight – we discovered this afternoon that Mandy is coming home tonight, right at about the same time Sarah finishes work.
Ill just continue playing it by ear.

[Everything]

09/17/2012 at 12:41 pm

Just a quick update – Sarah has been in the city the last couple days (and I am giving her a chance to miss me). But, what was accidentally discovered the day she left and since, Mandy does not hear the sledgehammers (no complaints of the tone like with the old files). A file was left on when Sarah left and Mandy has not turned off the speakers since – so as I continue to program Sarah while she is in town (returning here Wednesday) I no longer have to worry about Mandy turning off the speakers.
I have ordered the rest of the customized ownership set from Trainer and will be playing it when Sarah returns in a couple days, then leave it on while I am away in Vegas next week.

[Fizbin]

09/17/2012 at 7:11 pm

Just curious – are you leaving the file playing for Mandy’s benefit?

[Everything]

09/17/2012 at 11:54 pm

I figured I might as well – not the ownership set – but His Happiness has been playing – I dont know what will sink in with her, but we shall see.

[Fizbin]

09/18/2012 at 2:32 am

It probably can’t hurt, but I’ll let Trainer jump in on whether a file generically targeted toward “master” would have much effect if there isn’t already an association of that term with you in some way.

I would still rotate it with the File 1 hammer, if she can’t hear that either, as that has the association with you, if not the term. If you rotate them, the similarity in tone may create the association for you, especially since it does also include making you happy as part of its core.

[Everything]

09/21/2012 at 1:25 pm

Well, I have the other custom sledgehammers from Trainer now and am looking forward to playing them for Sarah – I will be leaving number 3 on when I leave for vegas tomorrow – it will be interesting to see if the speakers are still on when I return in a week.
This is probably the last update until I return from Vegas, but if anything comes up in the next 24 hours before I fly out, I will advise.

[Everything]

09/28/2012 at 1:55 am

Well, it has been quiet on here this week, no one updating their journals.
Well, I fly home tonight from Vegas, File 3 would have been left playing from when I flew out until Monday night – I deliberately set up the windows update to reboot my computer then so the file would be turned off when mr. west was back at my house – no point in having Sarah feel the wonderful relaxing feeling when I am not there and he is around.
He apparently left yesterday and Sarah asked how she could get on My computer so she could access a TV show that I first showed her the first week during her training – she gets to watch it again tomorrow when I am back home and I have the subliminals playing again.
I only have the one day with her, Saturday she is off to her family’s for a big birthday party for her son (his birthday was last week which she treated him to a separate event at the time). Then she will be back on Sunday. I will update when I see how she behaves upon my return tomorrow.

[Fizbin]

10/06/2012 at 10:36 am

Definitely been a slow few weeks forum wise. How have things gone since you’ve been home?

[Fizbin]

10/15/2012 at 2:52 pm

I see two choices:

1. Everything is living a life of bliss with Sarah (and Mandy?),
2. Everything got caught and is now floating from a concrete weight at the bottom of a lake…

I hope it is the first choice.

[trainer81]

10/18/2012 at 4:47 am

Oh, I hope it’s the first choice

[Everything]

10/20/2012 at 3:37 am

Well, I am back and can give a brief update, though there isn’t much news as I have been dealing with other issues (getting myself in better health – re:sleep apnea and work). So it definitely isn’t option 2 Fizbin, but it isn’t option 1 yet either.
I just got back home today after a week of entertaining Mexican customers of mine (where I had checked into the same hotel as them as I was making business presentations to them by day and taking them out on the town by night and managing my tiredness issues).
SARAH
UPDATE – Sarah is now in the city with mr. west and her son (he is 17 years old and mostly stays with his other parent – Sarah is trying to be a better mother for him until he goes to college) Sunday through Tuesday night/Wednesday morning and here the rest of the week. –
While I was away and Sarah was at my place (she seems to only message me when she is not around mr. west), I am getting messages because she has missed me, but she still has the connection with mr. west. She is also disappointed due to money reasons she cannot join me on my December long annual vacation due to money issues regarding her new apartment with mr. west. (I had offered to her a few months ago when mr. west was still out west that she could join me for my annual trip to use my family’s beach condo – always empty from December-mid January, whereby I take my vacation). Now I only saw her for a couple hours since I returned before she went to work (and she asked permission for another friend of hers, Ally, to stay with us this weekend so she can try out stripping at the same club) and her new friend was here. But when Ally was upstairs resting, Sarah was very curious as to my week and what has been going on with me and the sleep clinic. I am sure she and I will talk further after I pick them up from work, or in the case she is drunk, first thing in the morning while the others sleep.
I had however mentioned to Sarah that I will be up north for work just before my vacation for a week, a city with 2 decent strip clubs that she has worked before, and Sarah came out and asked if I would mind if she joined me in my hotel room that week so she could work at those clubs, “since your company is paying for the room and now that I have a CPAP machine your snoring should be minimal/non-existent.” We didn’t get into details yet but I am sure it will be discussed this weekend.
MANDY
I haven’t seen Mandy yet since I got home as she was already at work (I am expecting to be messaged anytime now to either come and pick her up or that she will continue working tonight until Sarah and Aly are finished in another 2 hours and change).
When I returned home and after dropping Sarah and Ally off at work I can confirm that the sledgehammer I left playing while I was away was still playing upon my return (I left it on at a relatively low level going through my new monitor speakers and not the old computer speakers I had before). I have noticed that she doesn’t hear the hiss with the sledgehammers that she has with the other files.
However, before leaving earlier this week while Sarah was in the city, Mandy dumped the guy she was briefly seeing and has decided that she will remain living here rather than find another place to live. She has also been offering to feed or bring me a beverage every time she goes to the kitchen, and coming out of her room more to spend time with me. As well, Mandy has never been much of a touching person, but she has been, at least when after drinking and I pick her up at work begun to make gentle motions (touching my hand/arm while I am driving us home, just little things like that).
Mandy has also scheduled her trip to Australia to visit her son to coincide with my annual vacation to Florida literally to the day – she flies out the same day I do and returns 2 days after I do, ensuring that I am taking her to the airport and picking her up making me the last and first person to see her in the country (and no stop at her mother’s in the city to see her in the process). (and the message just arrived stating that Mandy will stay the extra couple hours at work so I only have to take 1 trip to pick them up rather than 2 – Sarah’s idea as I was taking her to work).

I know there will be a lot more to update once we have all been here the next couple days and I will log in to update either Sunday night/Monday. On my health, other than the apnea being treated (sleep lab done, trial CPAP machine using variable settings until they find the right one for me over the next month while I sleep), I have mostly a bill of good health from the Doctor (blood pressure 120/80, prostate good, working on losing another 30 pounds to bring me back to ideal health), though the blood work I have requested I will find out the results when I see him on Tuesday (I have been borderline hypno-thyroid for more than 15 years and at the limits of natural maintenance routines, and I am having my testosterone levels checked including the bio-identical test which is the only one of the tests I have to pay for in Canada. But, as the plan is going, within 4-6 months I should be back in the shape of a man in his late 20s/early 30s (which is part of my 43rd Birthday present to myself, along with my annual Birthday Disney weekend during my florida vacation. So the girls have done something good for me and got me motivated to be in much better physical condition, and yes, both Mandy and Sarah have been noticing some of these changes in me of late.

[trainer81]

10/20/2012 at 5:00 am

Ah, feel better Everything but some relaxing at the Beach will help I’m sure. Looks like Mandy’s starting to come around though.

Trainer81

[Fizbin]

10/20/2012 at 8:54 am

Thanks for the update!

I agree, it sounds like excellent progress with Mandy (especially considering that she started as a bitter man-hater!). I hope you’re actually letting her do some of these things for you, as that can help build her connection as it did with Sarah and the cleaning.

It also sounds like excellent progress with the health. Note that the apnea and weight tend to go hand-in-hand, and if you succeed in dropping those pounds, your need for the CPAP may resolve itself as well. Of course, the better sleep may also help you in losing the weight, so it could be win-win.

As for Ally, wow! I can imagine most of the guys on this site being so envious. How many guys get to live with a rotating harem of strippers!

[Islander711]

10/20/2012 at 11:58 pm

It looks like you are having Great success.

Good luck.

[Everything]

10/22/2012 at 5:00 am

Well, after the weekend and seeing what is actually going on, since my plan for this weekend was really to observe after 2 of 3 weeks basically being away.

First off, sorry to disappoint you guys, but Ally is gone. She didnt like the club that Mandy and Sarah work at so she has returned to the city. I dont think she will be coming back, then again you never know as I had file 1 of the set playing while she was here. (And she did break up with her boyfriend earlier today, but I am sure that had to do with other issues). Both Sarah and I were expecting her to stay until Tuesday until suddenly, just before I went to go take Sarah to the train back to the city, Ally jumped in and said she was going with her (the break up phone call apparently happened minutes before and she said she was going to head back to her mothers).

Mandy and I had little time alone this weekend, but it seems she is coming to depend on me more and more. She is also sneaking her hand over to me before pulling it back when we are next to each other, either in the car or the sofa.

Sarah however I feel is resigned to her upcoming life in the city. She has also been showing some alpha traits here over the weekend, so when she returns on Wednesday I am going to have to nip those habits in the bud.

With both Sarah and Mandy, I am simply going to start using the “Master of the house” routine on them, basically giving them the option of either contributing more financially or doing more around the house or a mix of both(remember, they started staying with me basically as strays a couple months ago and now since their presence will be longer term, it is about time), especially since, as I had told them from the start, I wanted them to clear up their debts and start working on getting back on their feet – their debts are now just about cleared. Any ideas on how best to proceed with what I am planning are most welcome.

As far as my apnea, although the weight worsens it, it is a condition I have had since childhood (as well as many male member of my family) and unfortunately weight loss will improve the condition but not enough to warrant not having the CPAP machine. Having said that I am starting to get used to it and the girls have most definitely heard an improvement in my lack of snoring. The weight loss should accelerate depending on what supplements I will be getting from my other doctor for the hypo-thyroidism and testosterone replacements, which other men over 40 on here should be tested for as well. I will advise.

Anyway, off to bed – I actually have to pop my head in the office tomorrow for a day full of boring meetings. Ill message more in a couple days.

[Islander711]

10/22/2012 at 12:25 pm

If you just tell them that you are glad that they are better off financially now and it is time for them to start giving you money for them to stay with you. Just be logical and have some figures that you think is far like how much it would cost for them to be somewhere else and the like. Then you need to stick to your guns unless they come out with a FACT that you are not aware of. You must ignore any emotional argument as it is not pertinent for this discussion. If they do have a fact that you were not aware of you must thank them for telling you of it as you do not want your budget blown on missing data and let them know that you expect them to tell you if something comes up. I think this will get them to respect your decision making and get them to start depending on you.

Good luck

[Fizbin]

10/22/2012 at 4:11 pm

I’ll have to disagree a little bit. While emphasizing that you are Alpha (and Master of the house) is good, if you’re hoping to move the relationship(s) forward I wouldn’t get too hung up on the economics. What I would suggest is emphasizing the community, even family (of which you are the leader) and expecting each member to pull their own weight.

You can put yourself in the role of provider and protector. They then need to be in helping/supporting roles that you can define. Maybe one cooks, and the other cleans. Be wise, though, and assign roles based on their actual skills.

Maybe there can be a financial component, where you do a grocery or utility pool, but don’t make it into a “landlord/tenant” relationship where they pay you “rent”. Even then I wouldn’t go there unless you’re really in a financial pinch until you’re actually setting up a true familial household with one (or both) of them. I don’t think you’re in that position yet.

Bottom line is, even if they contribute to the home, they still need to be truly dependent upon you. You might look at some of the other files, as there are any number of them that emphasize their dependence (most of them are Master oriented, so you might get a bit of file 3 going on first…)

[Fizbin]

10/22/2012 at 4:16 pm

P.S. Come to think of it, File 3 does a pretty good job of emotional dependency on its own. But once you’ve been playing it for a while you could use some of the other files to push for other kinds…

[Fizbin]

10/22/2012 at 4:29 pm

P.P.S. I just re-read all of the set scripts. You really could just progress through the set. I’m sure they’re both ready for file 2 or even file 3. But again, don’t turn this into an economic relationship. Emphasize how much you care for them, and you’re setting these rules up to help them. Once you’re through File 3, with its association of you with Master, you could continue on with some of the economic and decision maker dependency files (you’re so much better with money that they’ll be happy to let you take care of their paychecks…)

[Islander711]

10/24/2012 at 1:11 pm

I agree that it shouldn’t be an economic or landlord tenant, but it appeared to me that they were expecting to give you some cash when they got their debts cleared up. So, as they already said they would, I believe that you should make them give you something to at least pay their expenses. This would also give them a chance to tell you if they had any other debits that they might not have told you yet. I believe that if they tell you that they are going to do something then they should do it.

[Everything]

10/25/2012 at 1:49 pm

Well, I haven’t had the discussion with the girls yet regarding finances. As far as the situation before the finances are concerned, Sarah has been happily contributing to groceries where with Mandy it has been like pulling teeth, even when Sarah brings it up with her. Sarah also had been chipping in with some of the utilities (water & electricity) while mr. west was staying here, as she felt it unfair to me all the extra costs I have bourne with the two of them here. Now that mr. west is no longer here and they are maintaining the costs of another more expensive apartment, I am sure that she will be backing away from that, and I wont be pressing the issue with her.
I have decided as of today (Sarah will be returning later today, Mandy will begin to experience it when she wakes up) that after a few months of going through the female ownership files (they have been through all three), now that they feel the bond with me, it is time to put them on a basic file. I am sure the ownership set has me firmly implanted in their minds as Master, now it is time to firmly implant in their minds their roles as slave. So, after reviewing the scripts, I am now playing accepting slavery. As it is not a sledgehammer, I am lowering the volume that it is playing at compared to the other files so Mandy doesn’t readily notice it like before (it has been a while since I played a non-sledgehammer).
I am going to proceed with them on the financial front as simply covering their share of the expenses (gas, hydro, electricity, internet, cable, phone) as well as ensuring Mandy is contributing to the grocery fund.
I am no longer worried about Sarah’s finances, but since she is paying for the other apartment in the city and that mr. west is no longer staying here, her contribution will remain small. Mandy I know has managed to pay off her debts, has bought herself a used car (she has to pass her driver’s test still as she had let her licence expire while she was living in Australia), and is paying a fixed amount in Child support to her ex each month – he son is remained in Australia due to a stable extended family environment there unlike Mandy’s situation here. Mandy has also already paid for her flight to travel down to spend a month there for the Christmas holidays (she departs the same day I leave for my annual Florida vacation and returns a week after I return). I will be keeping all your comments in mind when I have that talk with the girls.
Ill update again in a few more days.

[Fizbin]

10/26/2012 at 5:56 am

It didn’t sound from your posts like they had spent much time with file 3, but if they have, and their emotional dependency and desire to do things for you are clear, that’s probably fine.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

[Everything]

10/27/2012 at 1:01 am

Well, Mandy did notice the non-sledgehammer file and was turning my monitor off, even when I dropped the volume down low. So they got another dose of 3 yesterday, until Mandy went to bed. Ill continue on that shortly.
When Sarah returned yesterday, asking me to pick her up at the train station for she decided not to go into work yesterday (saying she was too tired). Upon coming home, before Mandy appeared, Sarah admitted to Me that it is difficult for her with Me and her dog here and mr. west and her son in the city (it is another week before they get their new apartment, and two more weeks until she can bring her dog there – it will be interesting to see how she phrases things – justifies things in her mind – once the dog is in the city too and she is still coming out here to stay for half a week at a time each week for work – that will be the test).
Anyway, back to the programming – so once I discovered Mandy turning the non-sledgehammer back off I returned to playing file 3 until Mandy went to bed. Sarah is no longer bothering to go up to her assigned bedroom anymore and has returned to sleeping on the sofa next to the computer. So while Sarah and I watched tv, I began playing accepting slavery again, leaving it on all night until I woke in the morning. Observing her as she continued to sleep and I was up as I normally am in the morning, for the half hour that I continued to play accepting slavery, I observed Sarah softly moving as she slept, occasionally quietly muttering to herself. (I couldn’t make out what she was saying). As she continued to sleep while I proceeded to my morning work, I changed the file to break up. Sarah continued to sleep for another 4-4 1/2 hours listening to break up before waking. Upon waking, and as I knew Mandy would wake soon, I swiftly changed the file back to Ownership 3 sledgehammer for the rest of the day until I took Sarah to work, and dropped Mandy off for a weekend away with her cousin (it is Mandy’s cousin’s 30th birthday so they are spending the weekend together with a few other girlfriends in Niagara Falls).
On the way to dropping Sarah and Mandy off, Sarah surprised Me while I was driving saying if she makes enough money in the next month, she wants to take a week off work to come and join me in Florida. She admitted that she doesnt know if it will happen yet, and although she would like to come for my entire trip she knows she cannot afford to do that with all her new expenses, but she wants to try to join me for at least a week of my trip. (Note: this is something I had offered her in the summer before mr. west returned to the scene).
Anyway, with Mandy away the rest of the weekend, I am going to continue Sarah on a medley of accepting slavery, break up and ownership 3 sledgehammer through the weekend.
I will update on Sunday when Sarah is supposed to return to the city, before Mandy returns from her weekend (during the week when only Mandy is here, I will be playing solely the Ownership 3 sledgehammer).
Everything

[Fizbin]

10/27/2012 at 7:05 am

I just analyzed the Accepting Slavery file, and it does look like it is recorded at a higher level, and also has audio in a spectrum that includes some lower frequencies than some of the later releases (especially compared to the Happiness sledge), so I suspect you’ll have to play it at pretty much minimum volume if you expect Mandy to not hear it consciously.

[trainer81]

11/03/2012 at 12:49 pm

All have to look at rerecording past files with my new frequencies. Thankfully it’s only a few files

Oh remember to encourage the girls at some level so these programs can show more results. Like you do a good job cleaning up and so on…

Good luck with the non-sledgehammers. If you need something recorded all do it for $50.00

Trainer81

[Fizbin]

11/03/2012 at 2:10 pm

Getting the balance right is always so hard on these. You don’t want to clip the frequencies so hard you distort (especially the female voices), and you don’t want the level so low that you lose the audio in the noise.

I’m fortunate that my wife essentially can’t hear the shifted frequencies at all, so I can leave the amplitude levels in the file pretty high for her (as high as normal audio).

In any case, I’m looking forward to Everything’s next installment!

[sdalie]

11/05/2012 at 1:34 am

Not much activity… sorry about that was trying to post in the general area not under this specific heading.

[DedicatedMaster]

11/05/2012 at 3:02 am

The guy is pretty busy ya know, and sometimes (If not all the time) results take a while to show up.

[trainer81]

11/06/2012 at 2:48 am

I have to agree If you want the best results it’s time and I might add it took me a whole year to train my girl in slavery. That was 4 years ago and now she’s obedient and willing to serve me.

Go slow and have fun with

Trainer81

[Everything]

11/08/2012 at 2:35 am

Well, I am finally on for another update.
Sarah is moved out into her new place in the city, but messaging me almost every day. She is quite grateful with all the help I gave her moving last weekend and I will be meeting her in the city for dinner tomorrow as well she is returning here Friday-Sunday for work. She will be returning back to her new schedule here – Wednesday-Sunday as of next week (she had took a few days off to settle into her new apartment and spend time with her son). Before leaving for the city, Sarah has been organizing her and Mandy to keep my house clean again as a thank you for all I have been doing for them. Mandy manages however to do the cleaning only when Sarah is around then returns to her slacker self whenever Sarah is not here.
I had caught Mandy starting to turn off the computer monitor again starting late last week so since Sunday I have been playing constantly the new Silent Converter. I had it on low volume Sunday and Monday (speakers at 80%, windows volume at 50%) Tuesday I increased the volume to windows volume at 75% which brings things to the level I play all the files. Since I began playing it the monitor has no longer been turned off (I had never told her not to turn off the monitor for it is another way for me to monitor if they are listening to the files or not). I have also noticed that Mandy has been in the living room with the files playing while I am at work (the TV channel is changed) even if I am not seeing her before she goes to work. She has just messaged me asking to pick her up from work an hour from now as apparently she didn’t make much money today so doesn’t want to take a cab.
The plan now is to play the silent converter when it is only Mandy in the house for the next couple weeks and continue the normal programming schedule when Sarah is here. I am also thinking of figuring out a way to play a speaker through the heating system in the house so the files are playing no matter what room the girls are in, and if Mandy does notice any noise, since it it winter, it will be as if it is just part of the heating of the house.
Mandy will be leaving for 2 months in Australia at the end of the month, Sarah will continue staying here when I am away for the beginning of December, as well as the week I am back in the middle of the month. Sarah is talking about, if her cash flow allows it due to her new expenses, joining me for my return to Florida on Boxing day for my second couple week trip there.
@Trainer – thanks for the offer for recording more files. I am going to delay making new customs until after Christmas simply because with the 2 trips to Florida, cash flow will be tight until then (treating myself to a Birthday weekend on Disney property with a few friends while I am down there, let alone all the other expenses for the rest of the trip let alone keeping all the bills payed here).
As far as my health is concerned, I had another sleep study on Monday night, and it looks like they will be switching me from a CPAP to a BiPAP machine once they finish going through all the results, so another week of little sleep is ahead of me until they have all the results in.
Ill update you guys more when I can, and again, all suggestions are welcome.

[Fizbin]

11/08/2012 at 6:48 am

The newer “Silent Converter Track 1” file is recorded at about the same levels as the newer sledge hammers, so I’m not surprised Mandy doesn’t consciously hear it.

As for the HVAC, unless you plan to plant actual speakers under the each of the grates, I don’t think it will help. The frequencies these are recorded at probably won’t travel effectively through the system.

Since Mandy can’t hear the converter or your custom sledgehammers, try an experiment with file 3, the converter, and maybe “Maid Cleaning” on a loop. That’s two you know she can’t hear, plus one that she might (it is still pretty low level) but which also could produce a useful result (instilling desires to be a good housekeeper, submissive, as well as a “good girl”). Then see if she starts cleaning more spontaneously. If she doesn’t, after a week you could try a simple prompt “Mandy, why don’t you be a good girl and try cleaning up a bit around here…” Offered as a “suggestion”, with a tone of voice that is more command than question, it could also serve to get her in the obedience mindset.

[Everything]

11/26/2012 at 5:02 am

Well, another quiet Sunday night, time for an update.

First off, Mandy still hears the old files, so I have limited to playing the sledgehammers and the new silent converter. Mandy is becoming more considerate around the house, cleaning without being prompted, as well she has offered to assist me with some of the care duties with my mother, especially while I am going to be away next month (having said that, I have shortened my trip to two weeks from the 5 originally scheduled due to my mother’s degrading condition – Mandy’s trip abroad has also been cancelled due to events out of her control). She is also asking my permission to watch things on TV, or if she is watching something she thinks I might not enjoy if I wish to watch something else (I have been playing His Happiness).

The best I could almost describe Mandy’s behaviour is almost nesting, where she is finally accepting here as her home and no longer simply a place she is staying.

Sarah has not been here much, and apparently mr. west is trying to get her to stop coming at all. He has asked her only to do the day shifts, and at the same time has been trying to get her hooked up with jobs in the city. What this has in turn led to is Sarah drinking at work more when she has a shift out here. I dont think she realizes she is doing it, consciously anyway, but the effect is that if she has drunk too much at work, she cant travel back to the city and has to stay here. I suspect that he will simply keep increasing that pressure on her in the short term, and it will be interesting to see how she reacts.

Not much of an update this time as I have had to focus on work and other family issues. At the end of the week I am off for the 2 week vacation, and will update upon my return. I have been switched to BiPAP and am adjusting to the new machine, hopefully that adjustment is done by the time I have returned from my holiday.

[Fizbin]

11/28/2012 at 6:31 am

First, sorry to hear about your mother’s condition. My prayers and support to her and your family.

Second, I think you need to talk seriously with Sarah about what she wants in the long term. Express your concerns, and if you really want her to be “yours” in a relationship sense, now is the time let her know. Don’t start with you, though. Tell her that you sense that she’s torn between going with Mr. West, and staying with you, and go from there.

Finally, having clear in your own mind what you want out of this would be a good idea, too, especially with regard to the whole Sarah/Mandy thing. Do you want Sarah, Mandy, or both? If you want to keep them, You really need to step up your part of the relationship(s) as well. You can’t just be the genial host and “master of the house” – you have to start becoming at least the boyfriend, if not the Master in fact, in their lives.

Of course, initiating a real relationship with two girls at once is not an optimal situation under any conditions, let alone yours. I’m not sure I can offer any real guidance there…

[tonguester4_69]

11/29/2012 at 7:53 pm

I’m with Fizbin. I’m not really sure what your goal is in all this.If it’s to eventually have Sarah be yours at some point you have to present that as an option somehow.If you want both that a hard concept to sell let alone accomplish. I get the sense that your primarily interested in taking Sarah away from Mr. West,but want her to initiate the break from him.If so maybe you could initiate the conversation about what she wants lot-term since it seems Mr West is trying to force the issue.

[Fizbin]

01/03/2013 at 9:38 pm

Just checking to see what if anything has come about since your post in November. Did either of the girls end up coming to Florida with you? Have you attempted to move forward with either (or both) of them?

[Fizbin]

01/10/2013 at 10:49 pm

I wonder if Everything is still with us…

[Everything]

01/20/2013 at 5:27 pm

Fizbin – I am still here, but have been on the road a lot – since returning from Florida I had a work trip to Texas/Mexico which I just returned from last night. Neither girl came to Florida for either trip, but Mandy stayed home and continued to work and took care of my dog, Sarah I haven’t seen – she has found a job in the city and from what I have been seeing in her facebook and what I have been hearing from Mandy, it looks like she is going to be with Mr. West for a while – and I am thinking that much of her subliminal training she has been applying to Mr. West, I am not going to push it with her at this time, leaving the door wide open of course. Plus as you are about to see, things have been evolving with Mandy.
Now to update all of you on how things are going as best as I can tell with being away so much. Mandy was at work when I returned home last night so we haven’t spoken together yet since I got in (I was so exhausted from this trip that I just passed out on the sofa once I got home). But in the last couple returns home here is what has happened.
First off, no subliminals have been playing since I left after Christmas except the few days I was home between Florida and Mexico. The first trip to Florida before Christmas, the subliminals were apparently playing for most of that trip for Mandy – I left my customized female ownership 2 sledgehammer on for Mandy, which apparently played until 2 days before I returned home, at which point windows update restarted my computer (I know that because Mandy messaged me asking for the password to re-log into my desktop, explaining what happened).
When I came home for the few days at Christmas, Mandy brought her mother by here to meet me while they were on their way to Christmas eve dinner at her cousins. She also joined me and my family for Christmas day dinner and thoroughly enjoyed it (from her behaviour, my family is already convinced we are a couple, even though we are not yet). She was also on Boxing day very concerned about my leaving to depart to return to Florida because of the weather (a snow storm was happening), which a happy accident allowed me to stay an extra day – my windshield had cracked while running pre-trip errands so I chose to get that fixed before I left and stayed an extra couple days to do so. I did attempt to play non-sledgehammers when I was back at that time, Mandy still notices the noise of them, even when playing on low, so it looks like I can only use sledgehammers with her.
While I was gone on that second trip to Florida, Mandy spent 4 days without word from me before contacting me, wanting to make sure I was alright. Since, she now either calls me by phone (my home landline has unlimited long distance to 50 countries in the world which Mandy now knows she can call me from whenever she feels the urge while I am away) or sends me sms messages (usually when she is at work). IT now seems she cant go a couple days without hearing from me.
Do you remember the guy Mandy had been seeing for a while and dumped. Well, Mandy had been trying to continue the friendship with him while he, being a typical guy, of course had been trying to still convince her to be with her as more than friends. Well, this is an interesting little tidbit. While I was in Florida, Mandy hurt her back doing a pole trick at work, and it does sound like pretty severely at the time. First, she used that as an excuse to sleep in my bed while I was away (she of course asked permission beforehand). When she was not healing rapidly, even after seeing a doctor (who put her on muscle relaxants), well, the guy invited her over to stay for a couple days to use his hot tub and relax. During those couple days, it was right when I was returning home, so she wasn’t worried about the dog, she went there they day I was coming home, and well, during those couple days, towards the end, he asked Mandy to move in to “see where it leads” (she has shared the same bed with him but they have not had sex – another long story with Mandy I will tell you about later – I may have even mentioned it before, but if I hadnt, ask me to. Anyway, the day he pulled that, Mandy gathered her things then returned here, telling me all about it when she as soon as she returned here (I was at home so she didn’t even have to wait to tell me). She then admitted that being here with me feels like home to her, and that she wants to “formalize” her staying here for as long as I would have her here. I told her that yes, I am very comfortable with having her around and she is welcome to live here for the indefinite future and that we can discuss the details later (not wanting to have a financial discussion with Mandy of course, which in her mindset at the time, that is what it would be). That talk we will probably have sometime this week, along with a lot of other issues. For instance, Mandy wants to stop stripping and find other work, which I am ready to encourage her in – she does not want to be completely dependent on me for paying all the expenses and bills, which include a few of her own, such as the child support she is sending to her ex – I am going to use this as a opportunity for a “state of the friendship kind of talk”, suggesting that we are moving beyond normal friendship and basically probing her on where she wishes to see her future lead. Ill update everyone further after Mandy and I have this talk (which she will be in a very good mood for – she mentioned to me back before I went to Vegas a while back, that she collects key chains. Every trip I have been returning from, she has been getting a few from each location. This trip she is getting about a dozen from the different cities in Texas and Northern Mexico I have visited).
Anyway, Mandy has been without subliminals while I was away this past week, I have file 2 of the custom sledgehammer now playing again as of this morning – we will see where today leads and I will update later – I am thinking in a new topic as I am not really actively training Sarah anymore. Mandy herself is a few weeks away from having the sledgehammers playing for 6 months, she has accepted happily my few house rules (no other guys at my home, accepting that “I don’t play well with will other guys” – with the exception I have granted her her one gay friend when I am away and she is feeling particularly lonely, her female friends are allowed over, which is almost exclusively her cousins when they can get a night away from their kids), keeping my house tidy, taking care of my dog when I need her to. She is also happily surprising me with dinner a few nights a week when I am not travelling and she isnt working, she has been converted over to my food brands (for things like cereal, cheese, etc.), and we are doing things at home together – tv, scrabble – as well as going out for the odd movie together. She also has an issue with most people touching her (and I do mean things like a brush of the shoulder – get your minds out of the gutter guys), but has overcome that issue with me. We generally share the same love seat in front of the tv instead of different sofas, so her physical and space comfort level is there with me. Now it is time to lead her further in the right direction. She should be waking up shortly so I will get going for now – look for the new topic to appear in the next couple days. Wish me luck.

Everything.

[tonguester4_69]

01/20/2013 at 7:11 pm

All the best my friend

[tonguester4_69]

01/20/2013 at 7:12 pm

All the best my friend-Sarah leaving may be a blessing in disguise.Even though you weren’t actively courting either girl, women have radar about these things.Mandy may have wanted to get more intimate for awhile,but could sense that you were more interested in Sarah.Now perhaps she feels free to see where this could lead,

[Fizbin]

01/20/2013 at 9:29 pm

Welcome back! +1 on the blessing, too. Generally you only have a short window before you fall into the Friends Only Zone. I’m sure we’re all looking forward to your next report, whichever thread you choose to place it in!

[Islander711]

01/22/2013 at 9:10 am

Things sound pretty good for you. Keep up the good training.

[Fizbin]

03/27/2013 at 11:57 am

It has been a little while now. Just checking to see how things were going with Mandy…

[Everything]

04/07/2013 at 2:43 am

Things aren’t going with Mandy unfortunately – she moved out at the end of February – she just simply kept muting the computer and, since she found a job a couple towns over (she stopped striping) she moved there to be closer to work – I actually had only a couple days notice when she left. Oh well.
Ironically Sarah has started coming back out here again – she just wasnt making any money in the city. She is still living there, but is now for the second week has been here 3 nights. She just went back to the city a couple hours ago, after meeting me for dinner after work, but will be back on Tuesday and staying till either Friday or Saturday – she isnt sure yet (she is already back on schedule at the club – and in her words “This is what I will be doing for a while.”) She is still living with Mr. West in the city – and on the surface seems happy with him – but they apparently rarely see each other, even before she started coming back out here. Basically they sleep in the same bed, but have been on different work schedules for a while.
The first week I of her return, I did not play anything (basically I forgot). But this week I have put her back on the the custom female ownership sledgehammer, starting her back at file 1, Devoted Love. A little refresher wouldnt hurt, I think.
Anyway, that is where things are at the moment. Just remember, the tortoise wins the race.

[trainer81]

04/08/2013 at 3:33 am

I agree. I skimmed your story (I’m trying to read it front to back, but being a newbie here it’s a lot to take in at once) and can see this has been going for a while. It’s far from end game. The fact that your still a figure in this girls life speaks to that. I think it will be impossible to remove you from here life now, and look back at how this all started. That’s a vast improvement and speaks volumes. Wishing you the best.

[Fizbin]

04/09/2013 at 10:39 am

Sorry to hear about the revolving door, but at least things are still moving.

Speaking of that, while the Tortoise wins, he actually has to make moves in the direction of the finish line. One of the elements that has appeared to be missing for you is leadership as far as where you want the girl(s) to go. You have been filling their heads with thoughts, but as has been mentioned in other threads, it is easy to dismiss them without external reinforcement.

That doesn’t mean you should start treating Sarah as a slave (yet), but give those thoughts of love something to latch on to! (You may want to let her be exposed to the file for a few days before you start significantly changing your behavior, though. You don’t want to cross over into creepy-land!)