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August 10, 2013 at 1:51 pm #008/10/2013 at 1:51 pm
The reason for me trying subliminal is to fix my marriage. We have been married for 14 years. At the 7 year mark like some I was not sure if the marriage was going to work anymore. I did not leave and wanted to work it out for our kid. Since then I have bent over backwards for her. The hardest for me was giving up on my computer gaming time. Yes I was a heavy World of Warcraft (WOW) player. My wife has had few jobs because of back problems. Last year was the hardest for me as I caught her chatting and sending pictures of herself to other guys. Again I did leave but told her if I see it happen again it is over. I have a program watching what she does on the PC so I know. I would like the marriage to work as I have to much time spent with my wife.
My goal is 2 parts but if it stops at the 1 part that will be ok thought I would like to have the 2 part. The first part is to have a loving wife again and to have sex more than once or twice a month again like it was when we first got married. Like some of you my wife does not need to have sex that often. The second part is want to get into a D/S or M/S relationship. Sometime when we do have sex she likes me to tie her up and part of the chat she was having was about D/S.
I have had no progress that I can tell and believe that like some have done I started out with to much. I have been reading the progress that other people have made and know there is hope for me. Here is an account of what I have been playing in the bedroom with an iPod shuffle and our computer room. She spends most of her time in this 2 rooms.
08/10/2013 at 1:57 pmOn 4/6/13 I started wife with AC playing at night in bedroom and SC during the day on my PC.
08/10/2013 at 1:59 pmOn 4/13/13 I added Wife CS to the playlist starting tonight. We also had sex that night during which I used ear phones and played WSC and SCS.
On 4/20/13 is when I made my mistake. I started a new play list of LHO – Husband, WCS, MM, and ILM – Husband. This ran both rain file at night and silent on the PC during the day.
On 4/21/13 had another play session which I used the ear phones playing WCS and SCS.
On 5/16/13 I got an iPod Nano. Changed the playlist again based of that I was over the 3 file limit that I saw people talking about. I now have just LHO – Husband, MM, and ILM – Husband playing rain files at night in bedroom and silent during the day in both the bedroom and the computer room.
08/10/2013 at 2:02 pmOn 6/16/13 since the current play has run for a month I am changing it. Now playing HH – Husband, ISW, WCS.
On 6/21/13 I put together my own custom file using parts of Tap’s and Qwerty’s files. The file is 140 lines and is 7 minute 30 seconds long. I changed the playlist to HH – Husband and the custom file running with rain at night and silent during the day in the bedroom. I know since I have a lot of lines that it will take longer for something to happen.
On 7/9/13 have not seen anything happen and not changing anything. I have started to play ISW and ILS- Husband in the computer room during the day.
On 7/28/13 have not seen anything happen still. I switch out HH – Husband with ISW to play at night and day in the bedroom along with the custom file.
08/10/2013 at 2:03 pmOn 8/5/13 have not seen anything happen and think I made another mistake here. I left the ISW and custom playing at night in the bedroom but changed the day play in the bedroom to ILS- Husband and Smart Shopper. I left the ISW and ILS – Husband in the computer room during the day. The reason I add the smart shopper is want my wife to stop buying things just because I make the money and she has nothing else to do. It was going to be on a play list at some point as need that to take hold. She is unable to manage money, don’t get me wrong I had that some problem but I force myself to look at it as have the bills be paid and if any money is left over is it something I need or want. I will get what I need before the I want.
On 8/8/13 I know I should not have but I looked at what I was playing and it was to much again. I know it was during parts of the day but it was 5 different items playing. I change to just ILS – Husband to play at night and day in the bedroom and in the computer room. So I in the bedroom I have 9 hours at night and 11 hours during the day, with another 9 hours of it running in the computer room. My goal is to play this one file until I see something happen, than let it play for a month longer to get it to stick. When we have another play session I will play the Wife CS only with the ear phones.
Question I have is once I see something with the ILS – Husband script should I go to the custom file by itself or should I go to ISW. Or do you think I should be playing ISW and ILS – Husband until I see the changes and late that run for a month after the changes to get it to stick?
08/10/2013 at 2:07 pmSorry I had to break the post up but the filter seems to stop you from posting if you use the name of the files on the site. So I used the letters for the files.
08/10/2013 at 3:11 pmWell, what i’m seeing is the same problem I had. Please learn from my mistakes when I saw that you change your playlists far too often, and expect too much too quickly.
Honestly, the program is a slower burn than I think most people realize. I do believe flukey changes happening in the first weeks or even month of a program are placebo-effect on our parts, or dumb luck/coincidence. Having learned what to look for, and having learned from my own greed, I now see that the only time I have ever used this program correctly, is in this last month… and even now, I am only just starting to see behavioral/tonal changes.
Even after thirty days, don’t expect a script to be 100% in effect, and to be seeing your wife behaving as you would think the script should imply. She will, however, be thinking about all those things, and in her own mind, consciously or not, she is figuring out how she might act on these new ideas of hers.
A problem I think we all have here is that we thing that subliminals are hypnosis. They aren’t. We don’t play the track until they do exactly what a script says… What happens is that the subliminals increasingly plant the scripts as “ideas” that the woman is having on her own. She will act on those ideas in different ways depending on the individual, and when we happen to see the “act” line up with what we want, we reinforce it, to make it the lasting behavior.
My suggestion… pick the most specific things you want in the relationship. Pick two files that specifically target ONE agenda. Play those files constantly, and be hyper aware of what your wife’s “normal” behavior is. In a month, look for what has changed. At that point, if you even get a “feeling” that something is slowly changing… continue the exact same playlist. This takes months… and that is something we all tend to forget. Changing scripts all the time, and getting frustrated when things don’t change just causes more harm than good, in my experience.
08/10/2013 at 3:42 pmI agree with Faust. My most successful stints have been when I have let the files run for weeks and months at a time, or at least similar themed files.Is your wife aware of the files?If not your options are more limited,but over time they could be increased.I would also strongly recommend files that contain suggestions creating more positive view of you and your relationship.When her thoughts are more positively inclined towards you, then it will be easier to introduce specific behaviors.
08/10/2013 at 7:25 pmWelcome to the forums. It seems like you’ve been playing files for awhile. It’s good that you’ve started a journal as there are a lot of points of view that would help. We may not all agree on certain things, but it should help guide you to get the best results. I do agree with the others that you’ve been switching way too much. If you haven’t seen results yet, consider playing only 1 file or 2 files max for at least a month. I myself had issues playing just 2 files because I wanted to cover all aspects, which is why I made a custom that did all that and just loop that.
I see that you have made a custom yourself. You could consider just making one long custom that has everything you want in it. That’s been my approach and I’d say I’ve had decent success with it. Sometimes I’d add the submissive sledge in there with it, but for about a month I’ve just been looping my custom. When it comes to sex, I’d suggest hitting a few important points to get her to want sex with you:
1. Increase her libido and turn her on as was Qwerty’s approach, and to like sex in general.
2. She has to be submissive enough to obey you and want to please you to have sex with you.
3. Make her believe it is her duty, a priority or goal in her life, to have sex with you in her marriage.I tried to incorporate all of the above ideas in my custom, and I do see it slowly working. Just thinking of it logically, if a wife believes all 3, you’re going to get sex. If she believes in 1, but doesn’t follow 2 or 3, she could have sex with you, but maybe not as much due to resentment or other issues. A woman can easily hold her libido if she feels like it.
If she follows 2 and 3, but not 1, she would still have sex with you because it’s her duty, but maybe not enjoy it as much or be not that into it. To me that’s an acceptable alternative to not having sex at all. If she believes in 2, but not 1 or 3, she might still have sex with you just to please you, but maybe not as much as could be possible with all 3.
08/10/2013 at 11:34 pmThank you all for the replies. I agree that I had the bad habit of changing files to much and playing to many. I will change my custom to cover the areas that you talked about Tap and just play that one all the time. Would you cover the parts about smart shopper and a few others with it? Tap with the custom have you removed items that have taken hold or would you just leave those items in place?
08/10/2013 at 11:47 pmAlso do you think it would hurt anything to play the WCS during the test we do have sax when she wants to play?
She does not know what I am playing other then it is rain sounds while we sleep. She has gotten to the point that it is to quite without it playing at night.
08/11/2013 at 12:00 amWith the parts that have taken hold more like the cooking and cleaning, I have left them in there because I don’t want to lose what I’ve already gained. I think your custom and WCS would be ok to test to see if it works. You could also just incorporate the WCS script into your custom. Either way, not changing it for awhile is better overall.
08/13/2013 at 8:32 pmI have finished redoing my custom file. It covers the 3 items that you talked about Tap. It has parts of the WCS in it, which will allow me to play just shorter file during the play sessions when she wants them. I am not going to change the play list after tonight. The ILS has been playing for 7 days only. I have not notice anything and did not think I would since I had been changing it to much before. I will update if and when I see any signs.
08/13/2013 at 11:39 pmI hope that works for you. Are you just playing your custom only now or with something else.
08/14/2013 at 11:40 amJust playing the custom by itself. It will be running 20 hours a day in the bedroom which she spends the most time watching TV. I will also have it playing on my PC during the day for when she is in the computer room using her PC. I think instead of using the WCS for play sessions when she wants to have one, I will create an arousal file to play using ear phones. Again she only knows that the rain files are to help sleep and does not know what is on them.
08/14/2013 at 11:49 pmI think that should be fine as long as you give it enough time to work like a few weeks to a month.
08/18/2013 at 7:00 pmI am playing my custom only file still 20 hours a day. We had sex last night during a session. During the session I was playing a custom arousal file instead of WCS during session using the ear phones.
08/18/2013 at 7:40 pmSo… just to clarify, and make sure i’m understanding correctly… You have your wife wearing headphones all the time? IE, 20hrs per day?
Have you considered playing through other speakers/options? Extended use of headphones in general can be damaging to one’s hearing over time.
08/18/2013 at 9:07 pmYou’re getting a lot of repetitions with that 20 hours a day. You should see results within a week if your wife isn’t too resistant. I think headphones would be ok because it goes directly to her ears so you know for a fact she’s hearing it. However, I don’t think wearing headphones all day is necessary. Using speakers at times is a good alternative. I don’t think it could damage your ears but you never know. It’s more possible she could get an ear infection with extended use of earphones if she’s taking them on and off often.
08/18/2013 at 10:16 pm@Tap1 said:
You’re getting a lot of repetitions with that 20 hours a day. You should see results within a week if your wife isn’t too resistant. I think headphones would be ok because it goes directly to her ears so you know for a fact she’s hearing it. However, I don’t think wearing headphones all day is necessary. Using speakers at times is a good alternative. I don’t think it could damage your ears but you never know. It’s more possible she could get an ear infection with extended use of earphones if she’s taking them on and off often.You’d be surprised… A LOT of research (in particular, from Europe) suggests a whole generation is about to see a massive surge in hearing problems due to ear-bud, cell-phone, etc… mass consumption.
Seriously, other than some wild controlled setting with noise-cancelling ear-phones… I can’t imagine the subliminals benefiting from so much head-phone exclusive usage. If there is even a small chance of hearing damage, ear-injury, and essentially no gain, why risk it, right?
08/19/2013 at 6:13 amI agree. I’m hyper-cautious about volume levels, both in recording and at playback.
08/19/2013 at 11:38 amThe 20 hours is using speakers with the rain file at night and silent during the day. The ear-buds was only about 1 hour 30 minutes during a sex session. She likes to be tied up so while I had her tied up I had ear-buds in playing the arousal file with rain. I told her it was apart of taking her senses away be using a blinded fold, rain file to stop her from hearing other sounds, and a gag.
08/20/2013 at 12:33 amWow tying her up? It sounds like you have her under your control pretty much even without the subliminals, unless this is due to your success with the subliminals.
08/20/2013 at 11:33 amI like bondage which after 4 years of marriage I told her about. We with very little and has grow some with no subliminal’s. She seems to like it now so when she is up to having sex she likes to be tied up. The only problem is that is maybe once every 2 weeks. I am looking to improve that and other items.
For the ear-buds I make sure that they are not on full volume before they go in as I listen to it so I get the volume right.
08/31/2013 at 11:38 amBeen awhile since I updated. Almost the end of week 3 and no change that I can see yet. I know my custom file is large and it is going to take time but since it is the only file I am playing and it plays for about 20 hours a day would think something would show. Last time for sex was 2 weeks ago today but today is not over with yet. I will keep on the path of just the 1 file and not change anything like I would in the past.
08/31/2013 at 11:37 pmPadraid, I’m curious how many affirmations does your custom have? I have found that the longer the file, your message may get diluted out. I started with about 110 affirmations but kept editting it each week till it was about 160. I’ve found it has become less effective as a result so recently trimmed it back down to 125. How long is your custom through one go through the script? Did you record a sledgehammer or single voiced one and did you use a -44 amp or less?
09/01/2013 at 12:39 pmMy custom is 190 lines and is about 20 minutes long. I used a single voice and used -25 amp to make it louder. I also used the add-on subliminal.
09/01/2013 at 8:29 pmThat is really long. I saw better results with a shorter custom. When I kept increasing it, I saw diminishing returns. The longest my custom used to be was 15:50 and had about 160 lines. I recently shortened it deleting some duplicate stuff and keeping the shorter, simpler statements as they are more effective. It’s down to 137 lines and 11:54. I also added a 1 second delay between each statement so it’s heard clearly.
What is the add on subliminal? Are you using microsoft anna’s voice? I think it’s important that when you make your .wav file, you hear it through one time to make sure every statement is clearly heard. Sometimes the automated voices don’t say things right so you have to spell words differently or reword the statements themselves so it comes out better. I’ve found putting commas after certain words allows Amy to pronounce words better, which is what I use. If it’s heard clearly in the wav, then it should be heard clearly by the subconscious. If you’re using mostly mp3 players, -25 is good to use. I use -23 where I hear squeaking if I put my ear to it but if it’s a foot away I really don’t hear anything. That way my wife hasn’t suspected anything yet.
09/02/2013 at 12:27 pmI will work on getting it down to about 120 lines max. I also have the same delay between each statement. I am using the microsoft anna’s voice, and have listen to the who script before recording to make sure it sounded right. The added on is the one that Qwerty posted about and uses. You can see the volume bar move and no squeaking coming out of it. I am using an mp3 player with speakers about a foot away between the bed headboard and wall.
As an update we did have sex Saturday night so that puts it 1 every 2 weeks. If can complete the custom with using less of the lines, I will start it tonight.
09/02/2013 at 5:00 pmBest of luck man!
I’ve got to say, Tap is a fan of longer customs, but i’ve got to say I think even 120 affirmations is just too long. All of the stuff i’ve got playing, combined, is only 115 affirmations… so I guess one file of that length is fine… but any more really will just see diminishing returns, as TAP said. If I was more restrained, i’d probably keep my whole program down to 80 affirmations, tightly linked thematically. It seems like less is more in a game where repetition is key.
09/03/2013 at 12:03 amLess is better, but one long custom with 130 or so affirmations is basically like 2 smaller customs. I never really kept track of how many lines I had but I have kept track of how long my custom was one time around. I started at 10 minutes, went up to 13, and then hit the max at 15. I think at 15 I hit a ceiling where she seemed to regress just a bit. So as I said I’m back to about 11:35, just redoing my long custom again yesterday.
I also like being specific in my custom because it’s a measure of my progress. I’m not sure how your custom is, but at least for me, being specific about what I want in sex has helped a lot. Things she disliked during sex now she likes, or at least does not complain when we do it. It makes me think I can get her to like anything if I just emphasized it in my custom. For example…
My husband cumming on my face gives me pleasure.
I like my husband’s semen all over my face.I don’t have those lines in my custom as I’m not into that, but it is an example of how you can word things to get her to like specific sexual actions. Then just compliment her, when she allows it to reinforce this behavior. She would be more likely to let it happen again.
Interesting on that addon. I saw that but wasn’t sure about it or how it affects the subliminal.
09/03/2013 at 11:43 amI got my script down to 114 lines and is 11:13 now. All I did was remove extra items out and left the core in with a few lines to measure with, which was in the longer one also.
09/03/2013 at 11:10 pmNice. I think you should be seeing some results soon with good repetitions.
09/14/2013 at 12:40 pmLooks like I am still on course for sex every 2 weeks if it happens tonight as last time was on 8/31. I have also not seen any changes yet and it may still be early but the script has been playing for a month in a senses even thought I shorten it half way through by only removing lines not adding any.
My issue maybe that I the play list is not getting enough repeats. Between 8/14 to 9/2 I had 190 lines and was about 20 minutes long. For that time frame at night it repeated 575 times total and day it repeated 474 times total. Between 9/2 to yesterday, I have 114 lines and it is 11:13 minutes long. For that time frame at night it has repeated 542 times total and day it has repeated 535 times total.
I am not going to make changes and let it play longer. While I am waiting, I am going to work on breaking the script down more so that it will be able to run in a 5:2:1 that Qwerty talked about. Plan is if I do not see a small change to let me know the script working by the end of October that I will go with the new order, unless y’all think it would be better to try the new order sooner.
09/14/2013 at 7:36 pmI feel like you should have seen some changes by now. If sex is your main concern, you can try making a custom focusing solely on sex. That should make your custom even shorter and allow more exposure. One possibility is that she’s not hearing it, or maybe it’s not being made properly? That’s probably not the case if you made it per Trainer’s directions. If you feel comfortable, you can try posting your script in the gold forum to get some feedback on it. Maybe the script could be tweaked to be more effective.
09/14/2013 at 8:45 pmI’d suggest maintaining patience. I’ve found that my results were never as quick as some posters said I should expect them… and yet they’re certainly real. Everyone is different.
In my case, one month in, I was barely seeing any changes, whereas a few more weeks starting showing progress… and it has just tended to go faster and faster from there.
If you believe in your script, aren’t changing it constantly, etc… you should be ok.
It should be noted though that I play scripts which never exceed 75 affirmations… so I tend to get a LOT of repetition each night.
09/15/2013 at 9:08 pm@padraid said:
Looks like I am still on course for sex every 2 weeks if it happens tonight as last time was on 8/31. I have also not seen any changes yet and it may still be early but the script has been playing for a month in a senses even thought I shorten it half way through by only removing lines not adding any.
My issue maybe that I the play list is not getting enough repeats. Between 8/14 to 9/2 I had 190 lines and was about 20 minutes long. For that time frame at night it repeated 575 times total and day it repeated 474 times total. Between 9/2 to yesterday, I have 114 lines and it is 11:13 minutes long. For that time frame at night it has repeated 542 times total and day it has repeated 535 times total.
I am not going to make changes and let it play longer. While I am waiting, I am going to work on breaking the script down more so that it will be able to run in a 5:2:1 that Qwerty talked about. Plan is if I do not see a small change to let me know the script working by the end of October that I will go with the new order, unless y’all think it would be better to try the new order sooner.
Thinking back on my progress, I’ve probably played some variation of my long custom now since early June so I’m going on 3 1/2 months now on it. Even though a shorter subliminal would definitely take faster, a long subliminal is just as good if you’re willing to wait for the long haul. I’m currently editting my custom right now, which I do almost weekly and it’s at 141 lines now, and 12:51 long. If you think about it, it’s like two shorter subliminals put together and looped constantly. That’s why I don’t think the length matters as much as the script itself and what is said. The reason why I feel it’s not that bad to edit so often is because the main body is basically the same, but I’ll add or delete a few lines. Recently, I decided to take away my references to slave and master as I don’t feel it’s been helping me any. My point is, if your willing to wait a long time for results, they will come.
You also have to make sure as I said before you’re making the subliminals correctly. I place a lot of emphasis on listening to my whole long custom to make sure everything is clearly said, before I make it silent. Also, I use Amy’s voice which is what trainer uses. She has a calm nice tone in her voice compared to microsoft anna’s voice, which might make a difference. I know there are ways to change the tone of anna’s voice which might be helpful. However, I noticed the accent of Amy’s voice is clearer and she doesn’t stop abrutly on words spoken like Anna does. It seems more natural. I paid $30 for Amy’s voice as opposed to Anna’s which is free, so it should be better.
11/01/2013 at 11:47 amIt has been a while since I posted. It is still every 2 weeks that we have tied up sex and she does ask for it. During the time that she is tied up I am playing an arousal file so that can be between 40 minutes to 2 hours.
On 9/18 I broke the large script up into smaller ones. I am playing it in the 5:2:1 rotation to see how that goes. I went from about 10 minutes for 1 file to 15 minutes for 3 files. Even though the timing is longer on the 3 files than the 1 I went from 43 repeats to 97 repeats for 8 hour play during sleeping. Right not the rotation is like this: 5 in the rotation is Love, Obey, and Submission/Slave (LOS), 2 in the rotation is Arousal, 1 is Kinky things I would like here to do (ie. like shave her pussy).
I also had the same rotation playing during the day but have changed that as of 10/30. I have taken my LOS file and made one with the echo effect. I am only playing that during the day now. After a month I will do the same with the Kinky file. Since the Kinky file has more for her to do that one I should see results but the LOS file has the ground work which I want to run first.
11/01/2013 at 2:14 pmSo padraid have you seen any progress. Sex seems to be the same spacing as last time you posted but have you noticed any changes.
11/02/2013 at 1:22 am@padraid said:
I also had the same rotation playing during the day but have changed that as of 10/30. I have taken my LOS file and made one with the echo effect. I am only playing that during the day now. After a month I will do the same with the Kinky file. Since the Kinky file has more for her to do that one I should see results but the LOS file has the ground work which I want to run first.
I think your game plan is a good one. In my opinion, it’s important to play a submissive, obedience file to lay such groundwork. It provides a good basis for her to accept the changes in your sex life that you want. However, marriage is not just about sex, and that file will help in all areas of your marriage as my long custom has, which uses similar themes. I get what I want in my marriage with less nagging me on her part compared to back in June when I first started my long custom.
11/02/2013 at 12:16 pmMy wife told me before I started in files that she liked giving up control in the bedroom. I do see that when she wants to have sex it can go for about 2 hours because I got her into me tying her up which she likes. I have seen a change for an item that was in both the long file and in the LOS file. The file also has about being a slave and wearing a collar as part of the submission. She has worn the collar around the house a few times when I ask her. One day I asked her to wear starting in the morning and we went out in public and she was ok with it. I bought a 2 different charms that can be attached to it to try and get her to wear it more.
I am not pushing her yet to wear it all the time. I have asked her to let me know before I go to work if she wants me to put it on her. The past week I had sent her an email saying a guess she did not want to wear it. She replied that she forgets to ask me before I leave. I think that I will ask her this week before I leave if she wants it on.
Yes I would like to have the sex life improve but feel that the the groundwork is important. I also am taking it slower this time and letting the files work without making changes in what is being played like I did before. I will just be changing the rotation around of the 3 files as they cover the different items for now.
Since I am playing the LOS file solo during the day, I may move the Arousal file from 2 to 5 and the Kinky from 1 to 2 and the LOS from 5 to 1. That way the LOS is still being heard at night but give the other 2 files a little more play at night.
11/02/2013 at 2:19 pmCongratulations padraid on your success. I would love see the scripts for the files you are using as your successes are in areas I have had only limited if any success in. If I was in your shoes I would definitely ask every other day before you go to work if she wants to wear the collar and flatter her with how beautiful she looks when she does wear it. Keep up the great work and good luck for the future.
11/03/2013 at 12:50 pmThank you. I have added the LOS script to the gold area.
I made the change last night to the order in the rotation so that the Arousal file is 5 and the Kinky is 2 and the LOS is 1. I will leave it that way for a month. I am hoping that the LOS only during the day with the echo that the having it in the rotation of 1 will still reinforce it since she is hearing it during the day.
11/14/2013 at 5:15 amI asked my wife on 11/5 if she wanted me to put the collar on her before I left. She said yes but only had it on for half the day as it was off when I got home that night. On 11/9 she asked me to put it on her without me asking and wore it all day. On 11/13 I had asked before leaving and she wore it all day again. So I am making good progress on her wearing a collar at this time.
Sex has also come along so far as we have for the past 3 Saturdays. Before it was every other Saturday. Do not think it will this Saturday because I am on call for my work this weekend but will see what happens.
11/21/2013 at 12:48 pmWanted to update on my progress. Looks like my smaller scripts are showing more but going to stay with my plan to see how it goes.
On 9/18 I started the 3 scripts using the 5:2:1 rotation. Since 10/19 sex has moved from once every two weeks to once every week so far. And from my above post we did have sex last Saturday. This month my wife has worn her collar 5 days and 2 of the days I asked to wear it. The times she asked me to put it on her we would have sex that night. Example yesterday was one of the 3 days she asked to have the collar on and we had sex again last night.
I will be changing the rotation around for December and changing which one is heard during the day but it will be the same 3 files through the end of January.
11/21/2013 at 9:45 pmThanks for the update, and congratulations on your progress!
11/21/2013 at 11:21 pmGreat to hear you are seeing forward progress. Also great to see you are sticking to a plan.
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