Princess training log

[trainer81]

04/06/2013 at 3:58 am

Note Edit: Since time of writing my GF chose the slave name “princess.” I edited the title to reflect this and will replace the () information in about a weeks time.

Hello everyone, I will be making a log of my girlfriends training.

For the first entry see here: https://dreamgirlsgt.com/forum-pub/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=77

Today she has a late night class and is spending the night at her dads. We will however be together most of tomorrow in my apartment, and it has been devoted to bonding with her both romantically and sexually. For those of you who didn’t read my first entry the catch with my girlfriends training is that she knows and accepts that this is brainwashin this seems to turn her on so far.

I have read many of the forums threads before making this post. For one, I found that a high volume might be creating a headache problem (I don’t use any sledgehammers and do not intend to for a long time) and will be making the rain converter program (which I understand to be the same program as the amy converter, but adjusted to like the rain noise as well as the subliminal messages) a staple in her training for a while.

I also noticed that a lot of the subjects suffered fatigue from too much repetition, so my solution will be 3 alternating playlists, alongside sex sessions which will have no fixed recording set ups.

Sunday will be a day off for her to rest.

Playlist 1 (to be played Monday and Thursday)
1)Rain converter
2)Female ownership under Master (part 1)
3)Slave Identity
4)Happy girlfriend
5)I am a slave
6)Forming a slaves mind

Playlist 2 (to be played Tuesday and Friday)
1)Rain converter
2)I am a dog
3)Master’s Pet
4)Slave cock sucker
5)Dumb animal
6)I am a pet

Playlist 3 (to be played Wednesday and Saturday)
1)Rain converter
2)Female ownership under Master (part 1)
3)Submissive thoughts slave girl
4)Puppy girl program for master (part 1)
5)Obedient slave
6)Suitable slave thinking

I want her listening to this list once to twice a day. Do you guys think this is an advisable line up and spacing, given her circumstances?

I also have the opportunity to have sex sessions with her with the subliminals playing like I did the first night. The first session I have planned is tomorrow, my roommate will be out all day–meaning the house is ours to play . I will be switching us back and forth between our sexual selves and our interact with the outside world selves all day (this is something we have experience with and she is comfortable with me having control over). We’ll probably start the day by hanging out in our normal personas, making lunch and lightly flirting until I switch her over and have her strip (I will order this to happen in the living room, just to see if she will do it as fear of “being caught” is something that’s stood in the way of my exhibitionist fetish). I’ll then start things off with the rain converter and some bondage and cropping. I will then probably move everything to the bedroom for a while.

I want her to listen to the slave cock sucker for a cycle with my cock in her face under instructions not to lick it till I say so (one cycle), she will instead focus all her frustration into the dildo and be fed reinforcing messages (our dirty talk) from me at the same time as the cock sucker messages are playing to her. After one cycle I will let her suck my cock. That sounds like healthy enough foreplay, so after that I’ll probably be moving to penetration and heavier thought modifying programs. The rest of the day will be very on the fly (will update later) but will probably be focused on either the slave or puppy training, depending on her mood. After which we’ll be going out for a romantic birthday dinner and birthday present shopping[if there is time for it] (a new collar for our re-commitment to the lifestyle. The old one hurt her neck and she never wore it which was a definite disappointment for me. The replacement with the fur lining was too hot. We need to find a good compromise. She has requested a pink one.)

After our session last night I made sure to tell her how happy she had made me and how proud I was of her. We spent a long time cuddling while I pet her. I can’t wait for the next session.

[trainer81]

04/08/2013 at 3:14 am

A damn good weekend.

Unfortunately, didn’t get to do too much subliminal training as persistent head aches are still a problem and I don’t want her associating that with this particular form of training. This has made me rethink my timing in sessions and playlists. The goal will now be to eventually bump her up to the exercise routine listed above. But to start the rain converter program will now be played at the gym once a day, everyday. (I want to give her a week off to take a break from the headaches she had this weekend. A lot of it is she does not stay hydrated while at my place. I need to remember to make sure she drinks enough water.)

For now I’m just going to hold off on what I call “hypno training sessions” (or at least heavy ones until the rain recording has a firm route. She admited to me while we were getting into our sexual “modes” so to speak that the subliminals still make her uncomfortable, and even though she’s doing this willingly and likes it, she wants to wait for a bit before making this a frequent and core part of our sex life. She did however (after 3 fucks) do some hypnosis training until the headache came. We managed to get through the blowjob session I wanted to do, as well as the program on petting before the headache came and we had to stop.

That aside though, great weekend. Lost count of how many times we had sex on saturday but the count is probably somewhere close to 7 (I lost count at 4ish and I know we fucked after that quiet a bit). Some positive improvements are she was fairly pleasant, she picked a slave name (her own suggestion, years ago when I suggested this she laughed at me. The name is princess so I will now edit the title of this journal if possible) Generally a wonderful weekend switching back and forth between lightly flirting, our normal selves (for daily activities), and submission/domination. She is much more open to her true desires and a lot less embarassed. There were little things I kept noticing that I wanted to report but some escape me. She reached deeper into her submissive role (at least sexually) a lot more then she has in a long time. Her sex drive is through the roof and the only reason we’d stop was food/irl uncontrollable/one of our bodies gave out and needed a break.

I’m now going to try to list all the positive changes I can remember that I tried to take a mental note to leave here, aside from whats already listed. Because she’s had some exposure to the pet girl subliminals and knows I like it she acted very dog like. At one point during sex I looked at her and she was full on panting with her tongue sticking out and her eyes rolled into the back of her head. We’ve also been very in touch with that playful side of ourselves for a long time, but never too much sexually. We pretend to be puppies, and call each other such as a form of loving play. It’s hard to explain. So she has always enjoyed being pet, but her animal like disposition and the way she reacted to being pet this time was incredible. She was generally more submissive, apologizing for stuff she normally wouldn’t apologize for. We were able to have many intimate talks and moments throughout the course of the weekend. We also went collar shopping (though exposing our sexual side in public, even if it’s just a sex shop, is still something she has trouble with) didn’t end up picking anything but we’re looking for something that wont hurt her neck or make it overheat. Also looking for a casual collar for her to wear out everyday as part of my condition for an open relationship.

There were some negative changes such as her getting defensive, and still being a nag (as she can be) but these are to be expected and when she gets into it she can have a feisty personality.

Overall though very good and productive weekend. I won’t see her again till tuesday night sadly, where we will probably be fucking like rabbits again (i’m trying to condition it to every chance we get, and with her new sex drive it is very possible). All in all though we just seem to be closer.

I’ve been sure to reward her and enforce her positive behavior. “Good girl” was probably the most frequent phrase out of my mouth this weekend (followed by a squirm of joy from her but she’s always been like that so it’s not much of an improvement.

Damn… I really wanted to make a better journal entry about this weekend but I do have a bad memory. I probably won’t be updating here as much till the subliminals become a daily thing (hopefully next week. We shall see how she is feeling).

Any questions or advice would love to hear from you. Looking forward to when need will cause me to update frequently

[FaustsBoon]

04/08/2013 at 11:34 am

Your relationship already sounds so advanced as submission and her willingness to have this kind of relationship at all, is, that I wonder if subliminals will augment anything… or if she is already just inclined to do whatever you ask?

I have been doing a LOT of research in the few weeks since I first considered the program, and the weeks since starting. If anything, the most common take away that I have seen is, go slowly, repetition, and smaller, similarly themed playlists. The whole point is really driving home incremental changes, so, from everything i’ve gathered, playing three files, looped, over several hours, is just plain going to be more successful than a blitz of many, diverse programs. Plus, changing playlists out constantly doesn’t seem like it would let any one take particular hold?

I don’t know… I’m a noobie at this as well, but i’m just thinking that few, highly specific goals, is a good place to start.

Sounds like you had an interesting time though, and I wish you well! I wish I could see results after one or two plays! I feel like i’ve had unusual results in having success after just about a week and a half.

[trainer81]

04/09/2013 at 6:06 am

As to your first question fausts, it is hard to say. While we have had a BDSM side to our relationship for a long time it has never been to the point where I wanted it to be. I think just by accepting another side of the others sexuality we may have just been able to move forward. I think it’s a combination of things.

I remember it took 3 years of dating (we had sex after dating for 2 years. We are high school sweethearts) before she was even comfortable with BDSM as a possible lifestyle. I remember after one BDSM session I laid in bed with her nuzzled up to me and she said “I get it now. BDSM is all about love.” Things have been uphill, if slow and occasionally rocky, for the most part from then on out.

But we’ve had rocky spells too, we’ve never wanted to break up, but sexually? There have been times where she’s felt too ugly to have sex, or her low self worth would block her. On my end dry spells have been initiated out of boredom, because I told her I want to have a SLAVE, a partner in public life perhaps. But behind closed doors I want someone who will put her personality as a slave as a higher priority then her outside world persona. Someone who would be comfortable enough to let me have that power, which for me, is the ultimate form of love. Undoubtedly something has really rekindled our flame and I think it has a lot to do with this acceptance of our desires.

Whereas other girls used to make her jealous she has agreed that when we open the relationship she will not be jellos of the people I hook up with, and I will try to be the same for her. We even talked about my ultimate fantasy last weekend as a long term possibility whereas previously it was completely off the table (which is to have a pet young barely legal naive slut with no self respect living with us as a 24/7 toy, or living in a separate apartment when we have children.) I was able to have a talk with her where when she accepted it as a possibility she said “So long as you don’t like her better then me.” I replied “Actually, that would be the point. I’d enjoy treating her worse then you and treating you well in front of her. Wouldn’t it be fun to *vidid description of whatever graphic situation I made up*.” “Yeah” she admitted “it would.” She also seemed to be comforted by understanding that this girls position would be to be below her (which I have expressed before, but I guess she didn’t listen before because she just didn’t want to hear it?)

I did notice I made a booboo last session. I used the silent instead of the rain cock sucker and turned it up till she could hear it… this was probably the cause of her headaches *facepalm*. Oh well, live and learn.

About the slower pace and playlist comment. I definitely agree I was to ambitious out the gate. This was caused by me believing her when she said she was ready to tackle this at full speed. I should have known she was just trying to act tough. My plan is to start on the playlists above at only item 1 (rain converter) until she is comfortable and not getting headaches. then slowly add 1 item to each list gradually. Hopefully, when she’s really really comfortable and over headaches I can get her listening to the silents in her sleep.

Heres my question. You suggest I narrow my selection, but my selection has 2 very focused goals 1) slave conditioning 2) Puppy conditioning. I’ve even made more pet oriented days to group them together. Do you think it’s too much? My hope is that just focusing on these 2 aspects of life should have these messages take root as they are all similarly themed and her mind which is conscious of whats going on won’t be accustomed to the unified onslaught from different scripts and approaches. Do you really think given there themeing and the slow process of introduction I should cut it down? Should I drop puppy training for a while while slave training is being done? My reasoning for including it is again, we are very linked to switching between different aspects of ourselves and our puppyselves are very loving and playful so it may help her see slavery in the same light? I also told her she was going to be trained as a puppyslave and she expressed interest in being a little girl slave (possibly her favorite) and I corrected myself and told her my full intention was puppy/little girl/doll slave, but I was just speaking shorthand (and preping her for the dog subliminals secretly)

Always open to suggestions, just rationalizing it in my head you know?

Thanks for your comment bud.

[Fizbin]

04/09/2013 at 11:10 am

Remember, the goal of these files is to change long-term thought patterns, not quick channel-changes. Your playlist sounds like sitting on the sofa with the remote. “Tonight I want puppy” “Today I want robo-slave” “OK, back to puppy again” “Oh, could you be a maid for a day?”

Once you have her conditioned for long-term submission and obedience, she might be happy to play any of these roles at any time, but the way you had the files lined up probably won’t work really well. (Note, there are common themes across the files that may stick, but I don’t think any of the targeted effects will show through).

Again, think carefully about what you really want long-term. The animal files here aren’t about scene play – they are about giving her the long-term thought patterns of being that kind of an animal. Do you really want a simple puppy who sleeps at your feet full time and has no initiative? More to the point based on some of your statements above – do you want HER to be that puppy? Or do you want to keep that feisty girl to be the mother of your children?

[FaustsBoon]

04/09/2013 at 1:11 pm

Thanks for sharing that Master. It sounds like you two love each-other and are really in it for the long-haul. Let me just applaud you for knowing you have your sexual wants/needs, but likewise knowing you want this woman to be the mother of your children, and that rocky parts or fun parts, you’re in this together. I wish you guys so, so well.

I do agree with Fiz though. This program seems to be about rewiring deep, fundamental thoughts. If you change the functional way of thinking, its expressed outwardly from there. I think that is why so few of the subliminals are specific acts.

I left in Wife Cock-Sucker purely because it was a highly specific, desired result…. so I could sort of track it, however the bulk of files played are, in my case, ALL about general submission, and being more generally attentive to my wants/needs. Is that my end-goal, or what I want right now? Not remotely, but before I can get her to a place where she will flat-out obey, and put my wants above all else, she needed to let go a bit. I know she desires control based on past abuse, and I needed the absolutely small baby-step of just getting her to ease up, and relax, first.

[trainer81]

04/09/2013 at 2:15 pm

I kinda want a “toggle” switch on some of these files. I’d love for my wife to become a Barbie Doll or a kitten for a few hours. But I do need her to be “normal” in the real world – she makes more money than I do. lol.

As noted above, we can divide the files into two categories – mindset files and specific action files. I’ve had pretty immediate success with the action files in cases where the actions were something my wife already was open to. Both WCS and feminine dress code reinforced and increased her tendency to do those things. Those are the only action files I’ve used. A good test would be to insert a new file that my wife would naturally tend to oppose and see what happens. Smart shopper comes to mind.

With the mindset files, I’m finding that His Happiness seems to have taken hold, but the submissive files have not. As I mentioned in my own journal, this could be because of my own mistakes last fall when I damaged the trust between us. I will reintroduce one or two submissiveness files in a few weeks and see what kind of progress we make.

From my experience, I’m guessing that you would have success with specific action files, because she is already so focused on pleasing you. But with the mindset files, I’m going to pretty much echo Fiz and Fausts here. I think you should focus on her general mindset first – Submissive Thoughts, I’m a Slave, Forming a Slave’s Mind, etc. (I’m not saying use all of them – read the script and pick one or two that are most closely aligned with what you want.) Once you are convinced that she’s accepted the slave mindset (which could take a long time), then you can go further and introduce the more specific mindset files like the animal/pet ones.

[trainer81]

04/15/2013 at 6:32 am

Hello everyone, guess it’s time for an update. On Tuesday a friend needed roommates and I wanted to move in with him and my GF but my GF was against it as it cost more money. This got us fighting about every problem we’ve had in the past year. And the time that would have been devoted to fun was devoted to fighting. Sadly this is the occasional downside of a relationship. I called in the evening and appologized for not saying I loved her when I left, and she seemed more sad then angry which was odd. She kept a more submissive demeanor after the fight for the most part, just sad not to be around. The weekend came around and we fucked like rabits on saturday until she had to go to night class (where she TA’s) and on sunday (today) we had a quickie but had to end it fast as we both had things to do today. The good news? Next weekend she will be bringing the laptop so I can upload a playlist on her ipod.

After much review of your suggestions I’ve decided to settle on slave training for now. To answer your question Fez, I do want her to be a helpless puppy slave, but I do not want that right now, so maybe it would be better to hold off? Right now we’re both wrapping up school and she’s a great student so I don’t think it would be a good time to push her towards the stay at home model. I think I need to ask, just how powerful are the puppy/animal programs? Will they shut down her normal self?

Right now, I would like some sort of toggle on her, and I wonder if that’s something the site could provide someday. I don’t feel I have the right timing to push her to a fully submissive state I want her to be at.

In summation, AMAZING sex and next weekend we’ll be starting on the subliminals again. The program will be focused on slave training, especially considering herself a slave. Post your suggestions and I’ll put up my adjusted playlists here. Sorry this is a rushed lazy update, but better then no update I always say.

[Fizbin]

04/15/2013 at 11:49 am

I know at least one of the animal programs has the “don’t use this unless you really, really, want this behavior on a fulltime basis” warning on it. I don’t recall which, (again, definitely NOT what I want) but most of the animal scripts follow similar formulas.

In general, though, you don’t want to use any of these files for toggle behavior. That’s more the realm of traditional hypnosis and post-hypnotic trigger words.

That said, some here have tried making custom files with embedded triggers. Not sure what level of success such files have had, though.

[FaustsBoon]

04/15/2013 at 4:48 pm

Hey Fiz… Is there a list anywhere of the “beware… these changes are sweeping/lasting” files? I think i’d like to know which they are, as it seems like good info to have in advance. I don’t recall seeing the warning on anything I looked at, to date.

[Fizbin]

04/16/2013 at 4:20 am

Well, in general *all* of these files are meant to produce lasting change. However, (and I looked it up) it looks like all of the animal files have the explicit warning: “This subliminal program should only be used if the girl’s only future is being an animal.” You only see it if you click the file’s title to get the description, rather than going directly to the download link.

[trainer81]

04/16/2013 at 6:16 am

Good to know. Thanks for the help Fellas. Anyone who hasn’t voiced opinion on what should go into a slave/sub mindset (something I don’t want on a toggle) and haven’t voiced it yet. Feel free too. I’ll give another update later, as she’s going to a math conference for the weekend (where she MAY hook up with a girl that she MAY bring home. Fingers crossed.) So I have time to think about what I want to give her for her steady diet.

Just going to be working on slave/sub mindset for now, and the petting program (since pets are already so positively associated, and is specific behavior)

[trainer81]

04/18/2013 at 6:11 pm

I’ve decided to start doing little updates when I can, instead of a big one at the end of the weekend where my memory is less fresh. Anyways, yesterday my GF called and said she missed me and that she really wanted to get fucked. However, it’s close to our finals so our attentions are sadly diverted for a few weeks. She also told me that she had talked about our relationship with Jenna, the girl she is courting, and that Jenna had said that she wouldn’t mind a 3some with us. This would be my first time successfully pulling this off so I am both excited and nervous. They had talked after a half an hour make out session in Jenna’s car. This weekend they will be going to a math conference together, they will be sharing the room with another guy for cost reasons, but my GF doesn’t have a sexual interest in him. It’s unclear if they’ll be hooking up this weekend but if they do get some private time it is a possibility (though a low one knowing my gf’s insecurities. She’d probably need to be REALLY sure no one is going to walk in on them).

Some of the comments that were relayed though made it sound like Jenna might potentially be a lasting partner for us. Stuff like she said that she likes to be with couples, and feels safe as the third member in a couples relationship. I’ll start by meeting her and see where it goes. We’re setting up a group hang out time at the start of summer and the end of finals.

Me and my gf spent the night at her dads place, we didn’t have sex as it was pretty much, homework, hang out (play a nerdy card game) go to bed. Unfortunately thanks to the conference I won’t be seeing her this weekend, meaning I won’t be setting her up with a subliminal playlist yet. I think this break for her to digest exactly what she signed up for, and the numerous talks we’ve had about if she’s sure about what she’s doing will help her not freak out then if I had immersed her a week ago. My latest date to set her up with a playlist is next Sunday.

[FaustsBoon]

04/18/2013 at 7:09 pm

Dude… you don’t need subliminals. :p Your life is already where several of us hope to END. :p I wish I could get the dirty-talk, begging for sex, open-mindedness that you already get.

Can I ask you something? How did you even open up the original dialogue on having a submissive/dominant slave/master sort of relationship?

I mean, I am fairly confident, that even playing files like Accepting Slavery for a month, my Husband is My Master, etc… that it will still be an incredibly awkward conversation.

Speaking of which… what might be a good way to test if those files are taking hold? (This question goes out to Trainer, Fiz, anyone…) Should I ask her if she’d like to read 50-Shades-of-Gray after a few weeks? Gimmie small ideas people! :p

[trainer81]

04/18/2013 at 8:32 pm

Honestly, as i’ve said before, our relationship hasn’t always been this good sexually, even fairly recently. When she dennied me sex because of her own low self confidence that in turn effected me and it turned into a vicious cycle. One thing we’ve always been very good at and I think the reason we were high school sweethearts that stayed together is talking out our problems. During a period of sexual lull, I expressed my disappointment in that area of the relationship. I explained what I had imagined my sex life to be at this point, and what we had imagined together under constant parental supervision. She knows I am VERY kinky, but when we met she had little exposure to her own sexuality, so it’s been a very slow process guiding her into the lifestyle that attracts me. As I said before she never understood my fascination with BDSM until about 3 years in (1 year of fucking) with a line I’ll never forget “Oh I get it. BDSM is about love.” It’s been uphill mostly from there but she has a lot of insecurities. I like to think she’s getting better though. When I asked her last night about being with Jenna where previously she wasn’t cool with it she said “(I forget the lead in) While sex is a very important part of a relationship I realized that your commitment to me, and love for me is whats important and as long as I have that I don’t mind who you fuck.” Now that may sound like the ideally open minded girl but every girl in my experience has a wide array of possible versions of them who occupy the same body. Maybe that doesn’t make sense, what I’m saying is I realize womens self esteem issues are sometimes too over my head to even think about understanding. This is the same girl who was crying in the corner 6 months ago about how she’s fat and not good enough. When I see people doing journal entries about “major set backs” I think back to moments like that. The change in attitude has come with me focusing less on my sexual satisfaction (though that is still important, just more her end of the relationship) and focusing more on making her comfortable with herself and her sexuality. A big problem with us is part of her (at least it hasn’t recently surfaced I think all the sex and flirting has kept it at bay and I want to keep it that way this time) is still ashamed of sex, which is why I think if we come out of this swinging thing ok she’ll be better for it. It will be good for her to see it as a part of adult life, sometimes people fuck. Sometimes couples swing, if it’s not for you great, but there’s nothing wrong with it? You know? I’m hoping she’ll be less afraid of her sexuality if all goes well.

(Note: i misread and say how did the open relation ship start, and wrote on that, I’ll leave it up and expand on what you really asked here. I was frank with her when we were in high school. Actually funny story. Princess used to have a best friend we’ll call Bitch. Anyways, I’ve known I’m a kinky bastard for sometime, but when we first started dating I didn’t know how to make a move with Princess or what she liked. So I called her best friend Bitch. Bitch told me her fetishes instead of Princesses. So when I approached Princess about her taste in silk boxers, Princess replied “uh… no, thats Bitch who likes that.” Something we still laugh about to this day. Anyways that led to me talking frankly about my taste in BDSM and some more wild stuff. She was very scared, but willing to try. Things have progressed slowly from there with occasional set backs. I’d say ever since that “BDSM is about love” comment I’ve considered us an S&M couple now just branching into where I want to be, BDSM. Luckily that conversation initiated by Bitch revealed that my GF had a submissive personality. She admited to me that her early sexual fantasies were about being an english servent in king henry’s time [she’s really into that period of history] and being enslaved, soiled by a prince who would lend her around the court but she would be in love with him. So yeah, I guess she had the disposition for this lifestyle always, just has always been very afraid of letting go to that extent. It’s only with her trust we got to this point)

How did an open relationship start? I think everyone with a girl with bisexuality gets a little head start here. You can enjoy the beauty of females together and it opens a dialogue. In my case though, my GF is more straight then gay, so it didn’t work so well when she was first discovering her bi side. She would get jealous when I attempted to bond in this manner, none the less it does open a dialogue.

For us, we’ve liked gangbangs and orgies for a long time, but didn’t want to join a random scene because of some of the creeps you don’t want to be tied with. It’s a process for everyone I think, we took it slow. I prefer strangers, she prefers friends so that was a contrast right off the bat. After a few failed attempts (STDs gotten by potential partner, Conflicting personalities and problems with potential partner, and finally couple turned out to be creepy) we gave up for a while. Eventually she approached me about how preparing for it when we were trying had made her want it, there was a lot of conversation and we decided to open up the conversation under the conditions that we explore alone, but if there is consent and willingness from every party we could try being together. We’re still really new and feeling our way around this dynamic right now.

As for not needing the subliminals. I don’t know, I mean I’ll be frank, a lot of the reason we’re doing it is it gets us off. I’ve always had a brainwashing fetish along side a lot of other fetishes, but brainwashing is up there. Part of it is she can be naggy and fussy when she’s in her normal personality like a lot of the other journals I read here. I’d like the ability to just have the final say on wither we’re going to talk about ______ now, or rather we do it in 30 minutes when I’m not busy, and thus not aggravated and prone to argue. I don’t think the subliminals will hurt, she told me they help her reach subspace in a way she hasn’t experienced since pot (she doesn’t smoke anymore because my friend perma-tripped her out… asshole). Part of her identity is a slave and as such I see mental training as part of the curriculum I want her on. I love the phrase “Mind, body, and soul” and these programs from what I’ve seen really help with the mind aspect of domination.

Finally concerning your 50 shades of grey question? I don’t know. Haven’t read it. My GF has and said it was poorly written and one of her and her gf’s projects is to “write 50 shades of grey. Just better.” But i’ve also heard it’s a good entry point for some women into those submissive desires. Unless it triggers up a memory she doesn’t want I don’t see the harm, if it makes her uncomfortable just say something like “I just wanted you to read this because it presents a fantasy lifestyle that I think we’d both enjoy. I’m trying to be more open and comfortable about our sexuality. And I love you regardless of if you’re comfortable with this book or not.” I cannot stress enough that saying I love you regardless of ________ can help most situations. It’s a huge factor in gettin my GF at this level of S&M thinking she’s at. I’ll tell my GF that a Master on the site I used had that question for his wife and inform her of your particulars, I’ll reply with what she says on your journal.

[trainer81]

04/21/2013 at 5:59 am

Just a quick update. My gf came home tonight (i expected her back monday, but I’m not the best listener). Unfortunately her little sister is staying the night here too so no time for sex. She will be gone at 5am tomorrow morning and if we can get our asses up by 7 or so we’ll have at least 2 hours for sex, she has to be at work at 10 am. Fingers crossed, but we can’t always get up that early. Next week is her period where she feels uncomfortable with anything vaginal, I do always hate her period.

Also when she came back from the talk, much to my surprise I met Jenna today. She wanted to help my GF take her bags to the apartment and we briefly met at the doorway. It was a pleasant, but brief meeting. Again, I probably won’t be hanging with her for a few weeks, but in the few moments I got to look at her I did verify she is really hot. Black hair, and a skinier body then my GF, though not deprived of curves which I quite enjoy (other then that I can’t remember much, very breif and I’ve got a terrible memory. Also was trying to play it cool and not memorize her body in that minute of contact. I’ll save it for dinner/movie or whatever we’ll be doing). When my GF asked me what I thought of her and I commented that I did find her attractive she replied “You don’t like her more then NeeNee (pet name) though, right?” To which I responded by kissing her, and tickling her while she giggled (whenever I get questions like that I say stuff like “NeeNee is the prettiest, most wonderful princess in the whole world and I could never love anyone as much as her” or something along those lines. She’s in bed in hopes that we can wake up early tomorrow, while I’m still doing the laundry, killing time while I wait for the last load by reporting here.

[trainer81]

04/21/2013 at 9:13 pm

So we managed to wake up originally too tired to move (but that changed when she played with my dick) and have a good quickie (by quickie I mean an hour, I have a hard time cumming, it’s weird. I can go into greater detail but I’d rather just skip unless someone wants me to explain). For me a lot of sex is mental, so hearing some of the kinkiest shit out of her mouth this morning was great. She said “The day Master fucked me for the first time and took my innocence was the happiest day of my life” during some dirty talking. Afterwards when I commented on how hot I found that she said “Well it’s true because it was the first time we were ‘together’.” (when I qoute due to my bad memory I just put them up as best as I can remember, sometimes they’re 100% accurate, sometimes I mix up a few words but connotations are the same.)

I also made her picture fucking Jenna and me and dirty talk about that, as part of an effort to control her sexual thinking. She said things like “I want to lick your cum out of her pussy” and “I want you to fuck me doggy style while I eat her pussy.” Mind you she didn’t start off saying this stuff, I had to lead her in with questions like “Do you want Jenna to see you as a slave? Want her to know what a debased little sex toy you are?” But when I used to bring up other girls during sex this was a big no no, unless we were roleplaying in some fictional thing, and even that was a line sometimes crossed. I’m rather surprised that more of a jealous nature hasn’t surfaced actually, I probably record these things here out of disbelief because she can be very jealous. Maybe she grew out of it, but i’m not letting my guard down.

When we talked about Jenna after sex we agreed that while we were both excited about it, but how we wouldn’t be counting on it because of a bad experience we shared where some girl who was experienced with swinging dropped the ball, and didn’t make my GF comfortable with it, and set our relationship back a bit. I hated that experience at the time, but seeing as it’s allowed us perspective in retrospect I’m happy it happend. Blue balls are better then bad vision I guess XD.

Immediately after sex she went to go cook breakfast, which I always try to interfere with light flirting, such as pressing against her when she’s at the stove. Kissing the back of her neck, kissing, touching her, squeezing her and lightly smacking her, which is returned. I find this really helps hesitant girls get more comfortable with who they are sexually and expressing it.

She’s going to come back in 2 hours and provided her little sister is gone by then (she was gone this morning) we will probably be devoting the rest of the day to sex and romance. Since she’s back today I’m going to spend the night at her place and pick the playlist. I’m probably going to pick 3 subliminals, and an alternate playlist she’ll switch to if she starts to get fatigued of one. Both will have the rain converter.

Alright, This is the playlist we’ll be starting off on. I’ll be trying to get it to her ipod tonight.

1) Rain Converter
2) slave identity
3) Submissive Thoughts slave girl
4) Submissive slave

[trainer81]

04/23/2013 at 7:10 pm

The other day we had a fuck session where I was finally able to use the files during it. I encouraged her to let the subliminals carry her to subspace; I used the advice I got from ani.love (thank you very much!) and she responded very well. I also worked with a lot of visualization training of her, myself and Jenna. For both things mentioned, I was very worried about overstepping my bounds, but nothing back fired, so I was very pleased. For most of the session I just ran the rain converter, I think we managed to get it for about 10, maybe 15 minutes. During that time I switched the file, I think to slave identity. After a bit of that she said her head hurt, and I took it off for the rest of the session. Luckily there was no lasting pain this time. One change that is occurring is she now stays in slave mode after we are done, and I find it very good encouragement to tease, pet, and cuddle her in this state. Sometimes she gets up and says things like, “I’ll go cook for you now, Master” (unfortunately since we don’t live alone she doesn’t stay completely submissive or naked while in the kitchen but when no one is around I can continue to tease her, though she can be described as more playful then submissive at such times. Makes sense to me, she’s less comfortable with public.) When I talked to her out of sub space about Jenna and if I had crossed the line with visualization training she said no. When I asked if what she had said about Jenna being my present being true, she embarrassed admitted kind of. Obviously she has other motivations such as pure attraction but I considered the mission of the training to be done so I won’t be doing it again until (hopefully) we hook up with Jenna. She’s going through some rough stuff so I think we’re going to be friends with tensions until she’s out of a crappy situation involving men. Her and Princess may hook up sooner. Honestly it’s hard to predict whats going to happen but it does seem like a high probablity that a 3some will happen sometime, just not sure how long were waiting or if any complications will come up while we do wait (again also unlikely, but better prepared for a let down then not). She and Jenna still don’t know each other very well, so they’ll be hanging out more outside class as step one.

When her head started to hurt this time, we took it off right away. This time, there were no lasting effects, which was another big fear. Because of the head hurting part way through the file, I think I’m going to stick to Rain converter for a week, maybe adding in Submissive Thoughts slave girl next week and playing it by ear. I plan to switch up a playlist of 3-4 every month once the headaches go away. Thoughts?

Unfortunately we’ve both been busy, and I haven’t had time to upload to her ipod yet. But that gives me a bit of an idea. Since last session went so well I thought I might come up with a solution to the problem that the wire can come unplugged unless pinned to her (eventually via ipod, I’ll try to do it next time she’s over.) Originally I was thinking of getting some kind of belt but I was thinking I could give her panties to write on as her gift to me. She’d attach the Ipod to it and cut access. I was thinking of starting off with the line “This is princesses slave hypno panties, and her gift to master along with her mind, body, and soul.” Part of me is still hesitant about doing this as a cause of a breakdown (this was something like 4-3 years ago) was trying writing on her body and it clashing with her self worth. It was a really terrible moment for us and our progress, but she’s advanced I think it might actually be a positive move this time. Thoughts?

She also made me guess the cause of a past breakdown this past session after we were done she said “Fuck people who say this lifestyle is wrong.” Since it was just after the visualization training I asked “Swinging or BDSM.” She was referring to BDSM and told me about her negative feelings for pure dom women because one had invaded her safe space chatsite for subs and only subs and made her feel negative about herself. That site was a real blessing as it helped her feel as if she wasn’t alone and there was a period where she didn’t go on and our sex life declines so I think that may have been an explanation. She said that she had been told that being a slave to a man was degrading and that women like her were setting back women decades etc, etc and that these things had really hurt her (she has struggled with her submissive desires for a long time). I’m glad she’s come to terms with it.

[Fizbin]

04/24/2013 at 1:48 am

I’m not sure I’d push for the writing. But it is good that she is recovering from her traumas. Although there are a few trolls (you can almost never totally avoid them), you might want to have her check out The Experience Project web site. There are forums there where lots of subs share their stories.

[FaustsBoon]

04/26/2013 at 10:37 pm

I’ve never heard of The Experience Project…. do tell?

Slavegrl4MasterM… It sounds like you’re having a really good run of things, and more importantly, it sounds like you and your girl are both happy, and at a place where you’re both communicating well, and proceeding towards outcomes you’re both anticipating. Continued good luck man!

And incidentally… check out my journal. Your relationship is probably the healthiest I have seen regarding this life-style, and the stories you have shared so far are absolutely helping me on my own journey. My wife may not yet understand all my desires 100%, but your girlfriend, and your story, have really helped me plant some incredible seeds which she received really well! Thanks!!!

[trainer81]

04/27/2013 at 7:15 am

I’m actually pretty well acquainted with the experience project. Thanks for the tip fizbin, I think she’s happy with her community and really at home there so I’ll let her do her own thing online.

I spent a wonderful day with Princess and am going to let her do the report this time. Since she’ll miss a lot of information that is important from a doms perspective I’ll quickly report 1) She cried and had to stop (though she tried to keep going) when I hit her ear too hard (afterwards she concluded that she overeacted because of her period and felt ashamed and was appologetic) I had to talk her down and hold her while her brain was all over the place, part in sub space, part… yeah sex with us can be weird. Needless to say it was a situation that could have gone very poorly but I managed to talk her back into subspace and with her trust in me I managed to merge the feeling of being held in my arms with vulnerability and subspace. A small break later we were fucking again but it could have gone very very wrong and I’m glad we were able to surmount it so efficiently.

Also I talked to her about the panties idea, she is into it but admitted to me she can’t handle the writing on her skin, dispite all the progress she’s made in other areas. We discussed tattoos (she doesn’t like) and the posibility of her getting a slave tattoo.

As stated above I’m going to let princess give the report of the last fuck session from her perspective. However as a Dom I felt that should be recorded in the journal. Princess should be over on Sunday, at the same time we’ll be uploading her playlist to her ipod. (I told her about my self imposed deadline of sunday so we’re gonna make sure it’s done.)

[Fizbin]

04/27/2013 at 1:00 pm

The Experience Project is sorta half-blog host, half-special interest forum. It isn’t focused on any one area, but site members can create stuff on virtually any life experience. It has areas that are flagged adult-only, but otherwise doesn’t censor content.

[trainer81]

04/29/2013 at 2:05 am

This is Princess. Master will sometimes ask me to do the journal updates. I have 2 rules I must follow at all times: I cannot access this site by myself and I cannot look at any posts without permission. Master has asked me to give a report on last fuck session and the foreplay for this session.

I am currently naked with Master’s dick pressing against my tits, while curled up in his lab. Master and I took a shower together and I washed him then sucked his cock. Master says I can’t have any more cock until I’m done typing this. Master then had me lay on the bed and play with myself. After, master played with my body while I listened to some rain on his headphones. The rain makes my head feel fuzzy and after I take off the headphones my head hurts. I want to get so it doesn’t hurt anymore. I having a hard time writing this due to embarrassment so Master has permitted me to stop. It is difficult for a sub to expose herself like this to other doms but this is what I want so with Master’s love and care I will continue improving myself in this area.

[FaustsBoon]

04/29/2013 at 11:47 am

Well it sounds like you two are having fun. Beats the hell out of waiting for my wife to get home, and painting miniatures. :p

[trainer81]

04/29/2013 at 4:10 pm

The entry idea didn’t work out well at all. She was nervous about being judged on here (though she is comfortable with giving advice and doing so in the future she is just not ready to post logs). I helped her with a lot of her post because she got stuck. Simply put, attempting the entry was a mistake and I own my end of it. She did not communicate with me her nerves because “a slave is not supposed to say no”, (I told her a slave needs to know what will cause her a breakdown though and oommunicate it. If I said “do it anyways” she would, so it’s not really disobedience, just being a kind and nurturing Dom I need to know such things as looking after a crying sub for a few hours is a lot less fun then fucking one for a few hours) and she got bullied a little on her sub site because she’s not at the level of some other subs (these bullies weren’t regulars but if I could see them irl I’d beat the crap out of them for hurting my slaves progress. Words cannot describe how livid I am with them). We spent most of the rest of the night getting through her freak out and supporting her through it. By the end of the night we had great sex (after she had calmed down and finished crying out and being supported, took quiet a few hours) and we agreed that we both learned and that she thinks she needed to freak out a little so it’s good we got it out of the way.

I won’t be asking her to write in this journal again until she’s ready, and I hope she’s learned to communicate her limitations more. (though she didn’t know doing a report on here would be such a big deal for her until she was done. I think she’s really afraid of negative judgement.) Honestly, at this point she can push herself harder then she’s ready for because she “doesn’t want to be bad,” but what can I say? I’ve done this song and dance for 7 years and after her freakout last night was definitely a time to back off. So much so, I actually kept her out of slave mode and made most of the night a date night for our more childish, innocent personas. Eventually she came around on her own and things were back to normal. Goes to show you, set backs are inevitable, just love and support your sub, make her feel safe, let her know you’re going to go her pace but you have a goal and it will all work out.

She is rather nervous about how she will be judged on this site, so I’d like to request that everyone here be very nice to her and understanding of the place she’s at. So please, everyone be kind and supportive of my little princess. No matter how much progress she’s made, there are still times where she feels dirty or bad.

[FaustsBoon]

04/29/2013 at 4:18 pm

Subs bully other subs? Wow… How disappointing. Human nature sometimes horrifies me… I never will understand the impulse to hurt someone else, in hopes of elevating one-self.

If you’ll allow her to read this comment though…. @Princess… Please know you’re among friends. Your Master loves you, and is a good guy, doing quite his best to help others achieve their happiness too. I wish you both the absolute best, and happiness.

[FaustsBoon]

04/29/2013 at 4:28 pm

And, for what it is worth… I don’t think you’re dirty or bad. You’ve been nice enough to help me with some stuff, and are in the process of helping further… How could I see you as anything but nice?

[trainer81]

05/07/2013 at 2:18 am

FaustsBoon, your comment touched her thank you.

Just a quick note to everyone princess and I are going to be busy for a little while, so I won’t be updating this journal for a while. I’ll be keeping tabs though. Good luck with your training everyone.

[mastermandprincess]

05/09/2013 at 3:27 am

Hey everyone, I’m still gonna be away for a while. But I just wanted to say I have a new profile and will either continue posting in this journal with a new name, or make a new one and link it.

[MasterSouthernStar]

05/12/2013 at 12:22 am

For Princess;

I was very fond of your post and was very happy to hear from a truly committed submissive who is willing to stretch her comfort to achieve the goals her Master has set. Your post was very complimentary to the submissive you are and more specifically the training your Master has exposed you to. Keep up the good work. I wish more submissives would post here so we can see both sides of the equation. Learning how the trainee reacts is very valuable to those of use training other – and to those being trained as well. We who are training may become effective twice as quickly by seeing not only our own subject’s reactions, but another’s as well. The more we can understand how a subject might react, the better we can implement our training programs. I encourage you to continue posting- with Master’s permission of course. You will become more comfortable with it as you go – as with anything that is tough to bring yourself to do the first time or two.

Thank you very much for posting and I will be looking forward to reading more from you.

[mastermandprincess]

05/19/2013 at 8:54 pm

(MSS, thanks for your comment. Really helped her. She still isn’t ready to post here but I can tell she LOVES getting messages from you guys so please write to her whenever you want. Might encourage her to get to a space where she can write and interact with this community)

Hey everyone. We’re finally back.

I wish I had a more interesting report for this post, but sadly I don’t. We’ve had sex a few times since the hiatus, even with all the stress. During one session she had a breakdown because I pushed to hard with mental play but no major set backs and no major progress either.

Now that we’re finally done with one facet of pressure in our lives, a million others seem to have burst open. Primarily, princesses family is having money troubles so I’ve taken more hours, princess has found a better paying job and we’re trying to help out her family as much as possible. I’ve greatly restricted my favorite expensive habits due to this.

Last night was good and bad, not sexual, but in a different aspect of our relationship (I record these things because i think it’s all connected). See, I’m a very introverted person and this has created problems over the years. Where others might recharge their batteries by being social and hanging with friends, such activity exhausts me and causes anxiety for the most part. I have never understood fully why princess wants me to know her friends, to my own mind that’s some separate part of her life and I don’t really wish to be friends with her friends (nor do I think she should be friends with my friends unless it happens naturally, I don’t like making efforts towards these things). Yes, I know that may sound ludicrous to some of you, it’s just– eh, I’m not a people person and I’m very easily bored around people. Example? Last night we went out with her friend (keeping the code name theme) Susan. I had to meet Susan’s parents and their drunken friends. Then we hit a pub where I was supposed to try a Ghost Peper challenge and have a few drinks. Sadly, they were all out of ghost pepers so we didn’t get to try it. But the entire way they were talking about it to everyone we bumped into etc etc… I don’t know if anyone on this site is as incompetent as me in these matters but I get bored out of my skull and depressed in situations like this. Idle banter, gossip, socializing, things that seem to make others happy I view as a waste of time. I don’t think I can have fun like everyone else unless I’m on a few mind altering substances. I also have very cynical views on friendship and as such don’t even consider people I claim as friends to their face as friends, merely replaceable tools. Relationships to my mind are primarily selfish, parasitic affairs. I will never fully trust any of my “friends.” Sorry, it’s not an easy thing to understand or for me to discuss, so I kind of wanted to outline why this aspect of life is so difficult for me.

That said, it is important to princess that I interact with her friends so after 3 years of dodging it I’m trying to tackle this head on (even if I hate it). The good news? Last night with Susan went really well, they had a lot of fun and I was on best behavior and gave off the vibe of having a good time which is all that counts. princess was very happy with the results. The nice thing about Susan is she talks a lot so I don’t have to. If princess is making all these changes behind closed doors, I feel it fair and encouraging that I try to change my public persona and make an effort to get along with these people.

After that though we got into a fight, it was my fault. I was so drained from the night (again, while others recharge from this behavior, I recharge in isolation) that I started acting cranky. I don’t like staying at her fathers house, and was upset cause I was unable to sleep because of the lack of pillows and sirens. Eventually after a siren woke me at midnight, I flipped out and left. I called this morning to apologize for my behavior and everything is smooth again. Next time I’ll be sure to remember my limitations and insist I spend the night alone if we’ve spent the evening in a social setting.

princess starts a new job on monday, I’ve downloaded her playlist which right now is Rain Converter, Slave Idenitity and Happy Slave Girl (during my absence it has become clear to me that Happy Slave Girl is a program I want to play immediately) and will instruct her to listen to the playlist twice a day, or once a day and looped during the night. I may give her some leeway on when to start because of her job, but I’m going to push for now and hope that goes smooth (I told her I feel stupid because I wanted to start the programs a while ago and wasn’t able to meet my date). The biggest challenge I see? Getting past the headaches. I don’t like to be firm on things that cause her physical pain, and I know she’ll be stressed out with the new job, but I think I’m just going to push her past it this week. I’ve told her about all the advise you guys gave us on the headaches, and she knows it’s going to be painful for a while but she’s willing to work past it.

Well that’s all for now. She’s on her period this week so it’s a bit of a dry week, especially with the stress of starting a new job and subliminals. Hopefully I’ll have a more interesting report for you guys next time. Goodluck with your training everyone! Good to be back.

[Tap]

05/19/2013 at 11:48 pm

Interesting. What I’m about to say is for you only and it’s probably best if princess doesn’t read this. About the friend issue, I’d say it’s something you might have to deal with. I’m kind of a social person in that I’ve learned to deal with people and get along. When I was younger I was more introverted, but during and after college and especially after meeting my wife, I’ve gone out alot. My wife has a lot of friends and we go out regularly to bars and drink with them.

The only thing I can see with your situation is that your going out might undermine your dominant or master status. I’ll use the term “alpha” as usually the alpha male is good in social situations and is the dominant person. People follow what the alpha does and where he wants to go. Women are attracted to such a man. Since you’re introverted, it would be hard for you to display this level of alpha. Princess might see this and view you differently as a result, maybe even negatively. This might become more apparent if you’re in a social situation with her friend’s boyfriend, and he acts more dominant or alpha than you.

It’s just something to think about as I do when I go out. Some of my guy friends try to act like the man. That’s fine as long as they don’t make me look bad in front of my wife. I want her perception of me to be the dominant male and not weak.

I’ve listened to my own subliminals to give me confidence and becoming more dominant. I think they have helped me personally. It’s something maybe you can look into doing. Not that princess has to know about it.

[FaustsBoon]

05/20/2013 at 7:04 pm

Hey man… I appreciate the stresses in your life, and just want you to know, as anonymous of a community as this is, you DO have friends here. I happily consider myself amongst them. Also, I consider any guy who can take responsibility for something he’s done (or not done) as a really great thing, and as such the way you responded AFTER the situation is what makes you a classy individual.

Good luck to you both, with the new job, the subliminals, etc… I do feel like you’re still moving in the right direction!

[mastermandprincess]

05/21/2013 at 2:54 am

Important to know

I will now enclose what princess is not allowed to read in square brackets[]. I request that all of you do the same in this journal when talking to us. I will also be using the brackets around the site.

[mastermandprincess]

05/29/2013 at 12:48 am

[
Finally got to use the Subliminals last night. I pushed for it last week like I said I would, but as kind of predicted, last week was not the time to do it as she got a headache that lasted 3 days and begged me to move it to this week (currently in) in place of last week. She had really weird dreams when she tried it alone, kept waking up, and really hated it (she told me b4 we went to sleep that she hates the noises right now… lets hope that vanishes with the headaches). I am staying the week at her house to ease her through the adjustment phase. Today she shut it off just as she was waking up as she thinks that’s what causes such terrible headaches. From now on she’ll be shutting it off first thing when she gains consciousness in the morning.

The headache didn’t seem to be much of an issue last night. I’ll have to get more details and keep you all posted as the week goes on. I have noticed she gets grumpy and adjudicated when they’re about to be played or are being played, but that’s not very divergent from how most of your subs/wives reacted at first so thanks to the community I saw that coming and didn’t really react aside from insisting that we get her past the adjustment phase.

For myself… I really hate exposing myself to the subliminals, but i can see why I must for the adjustment period (she’s not ready to have it in the form of headphones yet. I remind myself when I go to bed and when I wake up that it’s not for me like you all have suggested. Still, I don’t like that I wake up feeling kind of high on pot, suggesting that the subliminals might be affecting me too (or maybe I’m just being paranoid). I hope we get to the point where she can do it on headphones soon, possibly during the day instead of looped at night.

Right now we’re looping Slave Identity, and Rain converter. I wanted to put on happy slave girl, but couldn’t find a rain of it, and seeing as I’m using the rain converter I’m not eager to pair a silent. I may get one more on the list when I set up again tonight. Open to suggestions. I know a lot of you like His Happiness, but I wonder if a sledgehammer is a good choice for the first month. Let me know your suggestions and thoughts.
]

[Tap]

05/29/2013 at 1:18 am

Quote from mastermandprincess on May 29, 2013, 00:48
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Finally got to use the Subliminals last night. I pushed for it last week like I said I would, but as kind of predicted, last week was not the time to do it as she got a headache that lasted 3 days and begged me to move it to this week (currently in) in place of last week. She had really weird dreams when she tried it alone, kept waking up, and really hated it (she told me b4 we went to sleep that she hates the noises right now… lets hope that vanishes with the headaches). I am staying the week at her house to ease her through the adjustment phase. Today she shut it off just as she was waking up as she thinks that’s what causes such terrible headaches. From now on she’ll be shutting it off first thing when she gains consciousness in the morning.

The headache didn’t seem to be much of an issue last night. I’ll have to get more details and keep you all posted as the week goes on. I have noticed she gets grumpy and adjudicated when they’re about to be played or are being played, but that’s not very divergent from how most of your subs/wives reacted at first so thanks to the community I saw that coming and didn’t really react aside from insisting that we get her past the adjustment phase.

For myself… I really hate exposing myself to the subliminals, but i can see why I must for the adjustment period (she’s not ready to have it in the form of headphones yet. I remind myself when I go to bed and when I wake up that it’s not for me like you all have suggested. Still, I don’t like that I wake up feeling kind of high on pot, suggesting that the subliminals might be affecting me too (or maybe I’m just being paranoid). I hope we get to the point where she can do it on headphones soon, possibly during the day instead of looped at night.

]

[Well, I think a part of the headaches might be she just doesn’t like to have to listen to the subliminals. Perhaps you can try the silents because she won’t realize they’re on and will forget about it. The rain sound is a constant reminder in her head she’s being fed slave ideas.

As for you being exposed, I’m of the opinion it could affect you also. Right now, I try as much as possible not to listen to those subliminals and when I do, it’s when I’m awake and I say to myself it’s not for me as trainer suggested. You can try wearing ear plugs while sleeping so you don’t hear them and it doesn’t affect you. As I said before, I use subliminals myself for confidence and other self help stuff and it has helped me a lot. It’s why I know they do affect the mind.]

[mastermandprincess]

05/29/2013 at 2:53 am

[Tap]

05/29/2013 at 4:30 am

[Maybe she would like the silents more than the rain files. It’s possible the sound of the rain constantly on might be bothering her. Many of trainer’s silents are barely noticeable even at the loudest volume. His newer ones like the His happiness and I’m submissive sledgehammers have no squeaking and you can’t even tell it’s on. At least then her mind won’t be consciously aware of the mp3 playing and she might be able to relax more.]

[Fizbin]

05/29/2013 at 4:36 am

[This sounds like she is hearing them much more strongly than you are, and they are way too loud. I would definitely not go for a headset at this time. Cut back the volume. You might want to work with Princess asking her when she can hear the “squeaks” or “whistles” when you play and stop the file at various volumes. Set it to where she can just barely make them out when she is close to the speaker.

As for you, I wouldn’t worry about the exposure. You consciously know what is in the files, the first person is a female voice, and you have less than no desire to follow any of the suggestions.]

[mastermandprincess]

05/29/2013 at 5:59 am

[About to hit the hay, so gotta make this quick. About the rain v silent, I’ve asked if the silents would help her more, but I think we’re going to stick with rain this week and if she still has a problem I may switch to silents.

Good news though is she only had a slight dull headache today, so if we keep this up hopefully it will be gone soon. (I confirmed I played it at a lower volume then she did. Last night it was 20/100, tonight it will be 18)

Also I downloaded submissive thoughts slave girl and it also sounded like a silent -_-. It was labeled rain but I turned it on to max and heard squeks but no rain. Can someone help me with this or confirm this?

Also princess confirmed that it’s more me being here then me going through the headache problems so I’ll be using make shift earplugs tonight. K guess I’m stuck with a playlist of 2 again, I’ll report as soon as I have something to report.]

[Fizbin]

05/29/2013 at 11:37 am

OK. I forgot you were using rain. For those files, remember they are meant to be low-level background/white noise, to be set and then forget they’re there. They aren’t meant for “active” listening like an eBook or even your favorite radio station.

[Fizbin]

05/29/2013 at 12:20 pm

[I downloaded STSG “rain”. The current file is definitely “silent”, but isn’t blank. I analyzed it, and the voice is using the correct script. From the character and quantity of the “noise” I get, it almost looks like the rain might be there, but at a lower level than the subliminal message itself. (My guess is the leveling of the two tracks during production was reversed…)

In any case, the overall levels mean the file is “safe”. It might serve as good control to run by itself at the volume levels you’re currently using, or perhaps for purposes of the test I mentioned in the prior post.]

[mastermandprincess]

05/29/2013 at 11:10 pm

Thanks for the help fiz, you’re an angel to this community.

[Right after I posted I downloaded the silent file of submissive thoughts slave girl and it had clear rain sounds, so I think it’s just a simple issue of improper labeling.

We’ve agreed that 15 seems to be the best volume, and this morning she only had a dull minor headache (we had pills on the bedside table ready for the morning). I’m hoping tomorrow or by the end of the week they’ll be gone. This morning we woke up early and fooled around both sexually and playfully (when I say playfully I mean she likes to pretend to be a puppy sometimes, stuff like that). Unfortunately we couldn’t have sex due to her little sister sleeping next to us when we spend the night at her place and the fact that she missed the timing for her birth control so I’m dry for another week and going mad. Whatever, I’ll manage. I did suggest a blowjob, but she knows it can take a long time to make me cum and didn’t want to send me off to work horny in an hour.

One thing that struck me as odd was she got really sad when I went to get the pills just before bed saying “I don’t want to be left alone,” while I insisted that I’d be back in literally a minute. She can get like that sometimes, but part of me hopes Slave Identity is taking effect. We’ll see how it goes.

Right now the playlist is

1) Rain Converter
2) Slave Identity
3) Submissive Thoughts Slave Girl (the silent which is actually a rain file).

That’s all for today chaps. She’ll be on this playlist till the 27th of june earliest.]

[mastermandprincess]

05/30/2013 at 2:33 pm

[Ok guys, I need some help and I’m really fucking pissed right now.

princess got a really bad headache last night, and this is the worst one yet. It’s also the lowest volume yet 10/100.

This morning she said “if this is what it’s going to be all the time I don’t want to do it.” I really don’t want to stop I just want to get past the fucking headaches. So what the hell do I do? My plan is to continue on for a week and switch to silents if the headaches persist. I’m afraid of switching to silents because it might restart the cycle.

I’m really really fucking pissed off right now, I can’t see what I’m doing wrong.

We’re talking about it right now and she’s willing to give it 2 weeks, but if she still has headaches she wants to quit the program. I really don’t want that to happen and I’m at the end of my fucking rope. Help would be nice.]

[Qwerty]

05/30/2013 at 4:29 pm

M&P there could be a couple of things at work here. It sounds like you have done all you can do volume wise, so here are some other things.
To see if it is the subliminal try running a straight rain file with no subliminals. Some people (like me) find rain to be stress inducing rather than stress reducing.
If you find she does not have a headache from just the rain file she may be subconsciously resisting the subliminals. My wife was starting to get headaches when I pushed passed things that she did not mind doing but did not do to doing things she did not like or had a block to doing. When I tried a different tack the headaches went away. I do not know if you can make custom files but if you do maybe try using words like “acting” or “pretend” as princess seems open to that ideal then switch over to your curent list after she gets use to the idea.
Hope this helps.

[Fizbin]

05/31/2013 at 12:10 am

[Try a silent version and don’t tell her it is playing. Just say you’re giving the rain file a break, and see if she still has a headache. Keep the volume low to moderate – if you can hear the “chirps” without being on top of the speaker, it is too loud.]

[mastermandprincess]

05/31/2013 at 1:01 am

[ moving the conversation here: https://dreamgirlsgt.com/forum-pub/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=101.0#postid-1098 ]

[Tap]

05/31/2013 at 3:12 am

[Well, I think she just doesn’t want to hear them. As I kind of said in your other thread, it might be better just to play them without her knowing. If you play the silents on your android or whatever phone you have, she won’t know and her headaches might just go away. It’s sort of a placebo effect.]

[MasterSouthernStar]

06/16/2013 at 11:34 pm

The link you posted for the new location of the conversation doesn’t work – at least for me.  Sure would like to hear what’s been going on with you lately.  Please just let me know.  It’s not in the Gold area is it?

Enquiring minds want to know – and I do too!