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November 17, 2013 at 3:55 pm #011/17/2013 at 3:55 pm
Hello,
As this is my first post I am not sure ware to begin. Back story: married 10yrs, 8yr old sun, sun born sex went from hot and heavy to 3 times a month. I have been a member here for one week now. I have to say this place gives me the hope that my wife can be who she was o so long ago As well as gaining all sorts of new skills. I have read all that I could find here before starting her on anything and the wife now has been exposed to WCS for 5 days. 8hrs at night, 8 to 9 during the day.
When I have more time I will post more. I just wanted to say Hi and that I am here and looking foreword to sharing my new experiences as well as reading about yours.
Pru
11/17/2013 at 7:14 pmWelcome. I’d say that usually happens after a child is born, sex decreases. WCS is a good start if you are focusing on BJs. If you’re just playing that with that kind of exposure, you should notice some change in at least by the 3rd week to a month.
If it seems like nothing is working, then WCS might be too aggressive at that point. I’ve read on here that some have had success with that file, but others have not. I think that depends on whether your wife is strongly against oral or has done it before in the past. If WCS doesn’t work, I’d recommend HIs Happiness sledgehammer as a good start for a basis, and then maybe one of Trainer’s sex subliminals if you’re focusing on sex.
11/18/2013 at 12:43 am@ Tap,
the wife definitely is not agents blow jobs. What she is against is the end result, I.E. she is a doger. I figure if that could be changed then all othe things should be a walk in the park. She wigs even if the smallest amount of semen gets on her so if she lets me unload in her mouth then she truely is trainable.
New result as of 11/17/13
wife and I where talking about my suns speech home work, whitch she always dose with him. Yet to day she turns to me and says “can u do his speech with him, do what I ask”. I then say “what”. I then g get the reply “I want u to what I ask, say I Will Do What I Am TOLD”.
First thing she has never acted like that in all the yrs we have been together. She has always been the bata and never told me to say anything like that. I then was thinking about the text in WCS and trying to remember about one of the lines being along those lines. Upon looking at them what do I find, word for word match. Only thing she wants me to say them to her. What do I do with this new development?
11/18/2013 at 1:22 amFirst, Welcome!
Second, Sounds like time for a change of program. Definitely don’t take the beta position for yourself. I’d push back and ask her where that came from.
Random thought – is English her first language? Does she often confuse the subject of a sentence?
Anyway, you’re the first person I know who has gone straight into WCS without first conditioning with some basic obedience or submission. (My personal fave is Submissive Thoughts Wife).
Good luck, and keep us posted!
11/18/2013 at 1:37 amFizbin,
yes English is her first and only language. I have also decided to ad a second track to the rotation. After some more reading I am thinking STW, which I will start to night.
O’ and TY for the welcome…
11/18/2013 at 4:06 amI would still suggest pulling WCS, at least for a while.
11/23/2013 at 6:23 pmUpdate time,
wife is at five days of new list, STW and I love You Husband (ILH). things seem to be going good Through the week. However this morning when she was naked getting ready to go to her one day of the week job I tried getting some action instead what I got was a blow up. she said that from now on I need to stay on my side of the bed at night and not touch her. And that I make her feel uncomfortable and am self centered. I then told her what ever and laid back down. She then proceeded to say “go ahead and powt and don’t even think about trying to get any latter”. She then stomped down stairs and out the door making sure to slam it on her way out.
I now sit here lost at what has happened… And what to do next…
11/23/2013 at 7:27 pmI’d agree with Fiz that you’re wife is trying to be the alpha. She’s very direct in trying to tell you what to do and to make you say things. It’s going to take a lot of work to kick that behavior so that you can assume the alpha position and get what you want.
Submissive thoughts wife is a good start. I would take out WCS and go with STW and if you want another one, His happiness sledgehammer. You need to have a good basis before using WCS.
If you’re a gold member you can try some customs to personalize it for her putting your name here and there to make it more effective.
11/23/2013 at 7:59 pm“what to do next ?”
Stay the course, man.
I don’t post much here (running my business, training my wife
, raising 7 kids all takes up my time ) but every now and again I pop in.
I kid you not, this stuff actually works. But you have to remember you have DECADES of whatever has been programming your wife to be this way working against you. A few good signs over a couple of weeks or even months is NOT going to constitute success.
If you’ve seen any of my posts, much less all of them, I think my wife was as hard core anti-sex as anyone’s wife. I mean she actually had been taught by her parents (mostly mother) that God punish Eve and all her daughters for all time to have to endure forcible rape at the hands of the one person they love and trust more than anyone else, their husbands, because of Eve’s first sin. And that God punished Adam and all his sons for all time to have to endure and unquenchable evil fleshly lust for Eve’s daughters that would force them to, again, rape the one person they loved and wanted to protect more than anyone else, over & over & over & over again. And this was a punishment for Adam’s first sin.
No matter what I found that she enjoyed, after a few days of absolute, sometime embarrassingly vocal, bliss on her part as I found some new technique or stroke or pressure point or position she would suddenly declare that is hurt, she never liked it at all, she got nothing out of it, she faked it all for me but can no longer keep up the charade.
Also, in over 20 years she had done fewer than a dozen bj’s, and NEVER to completion. An al sex was always a non-no. Even though for about 3 months 10 years ago she found it the easiest way to get orgasms and would actually pull me from her vagina and put me there on purpose. But all of a sudden, she declared it was always painful and too improper, and never felt good at all and asked wasn’t her vagina enough. My response was that it might be if she gave it up more often than once ever month or two, but her response was that should be enough if I actually loved her and respected her as something more than just a way to get off sexually. And she also said that me wanting an al sex made me a closet homosexual (no offense meant to any homosexuals here) or that she feared for my sons, especially the little one in the night with a perv like me in the house. I ask you to imagine the “what the {(non)biblical expletive here}…” moment I must have had at that statement.
Bottom line is that even though she is not fully “into it” (which has always been my main goal is for her to get as much or close to as much pleasure and satisfaction as I do from it) sex has gone from a 2 – 4 week battle to get only enough to keep my brain from melting with desire, to being able to have sex almost every day or at least more days a week than not.
When she is not safe, she offers, actually offer an al. When she is safe she tells me the day before she’s not so we can have vaginal sex. Nearly anytime, to the point of at least 3 times a week or more, I can have a bj, and there is NEVER a question about if I am going to finish in her mouth or not. that’s a given. And recently she has gone from barely taking just the head in to pretty near what I’d call a deep throat.
Does she still act like giving sex, bj, an al, and finishing in her mouth are inconvenient and does she still give a big pause and sigh before taking me into her mouth, and does still act like she’s gaging and runs to spit when finished?
Yes.
But compared with 1 year ago when she flat out would tell me I have ZERO right to or ZERO right to EVER expect sex as a part of marriage and she didn’t seem to understand why I would, now that we have all the children we plan to have, I’d say we’ve come a proverbial “light-year” towards my goal of being on the same footing sexually.
She’s still a selfish, consuming, bitch in a lot of ways. But she’s come a long way. Even non-sexually.
She actually asked me to give her a household budget a few weeks ago, and she really seems to be genuinely trying to stick to it. She’s been nicer to our two youngest boys, 5 & 3. And usually she pretty much begins to completely reject the kids around 2. She has been nicer and more friendly to the older kids too, and has started to actually assert her authority as a mother for real things rather than just to assert power, and has been more strict in enforcing my rules rather than giving in to the kids because it’s either easier to let them have what they want so they don’t bug her or because it gets on my nerves.
My whole point is all this response is that it just takes time. You have to start asserting your position as well. But the key is that your position has to be consistent as her subconscious tries to figure out the rules of the new dynamic. If you throw out mixed signals it will just take that much longer.
Your relationship is currently a result of an unspoken agreement you and she have made over time. It may not be anything like the marriage vows you took but, over time you two have tacitly “agreed” to playing certain “roles”. If you now try to push her into a new “role” either consciously by asking for it or subconsciously via subliminal, you have to alter the role you play to fit the new pattern.
One thing I learned from several similar situations like your “naked… and getting ready” story is that I have to be assertive completely till the end of the situation. I don’t have to get what I want, but I have to press it to the end. For example, when she refuses you have to press it until there is no time left to get what you are going after. And then you have to make sure she understands that it damages the relationship when she refuses and that she is the one who did that. That sex and affection helps to bring two people together and bond them and that is your goal because having that bond between you and her is the most important thing to you so you persist because it is just that important, above everything. This not only reinforces something she instinctively knows is true, but it places her into an indefensible position, and gives her an easy way out. That way out is to just have sex. Once she gets to that point that she just goes ahead and has sex, or starts to find the time to at least get it over with or comes back to you later and offers grudgingly, you have won part of the battle and the momentum is in your favor.
Don’t expect that to result in sex every time but NEVER just give in and roll over & say whatever. She has to know that you are willing to go all the way to get what you want and that what you want is her and no one else but her, but that it has to be ALL OF HER. And pushing it to the end of possibility of execution is the only way to let her know that.
Also, don’t be punishing about it. If you don’t get what you want, be a true MAN above all & still treat her with respect. Reboot yourself, so to speak, and start over the next time.
Some may disagree with some or even much of what I say but it has somehow worked for me and my wife. I can now, honestly see the potential that my wife can remain my wife and maybe even become a good wife. A year ago I was perfectly willing & almost eager to kick her to the curb and even willing to live my life without a woman completely just to get out of the unending cycle of her vitriolic attitude about anything regarding love, sex or even basic human affection and civility towards me and my children.
But I think my theme is that you also have to be firm in the path you take and think about the new role you are going to have to play. This is not to say that you will not have to “adjust” your perceived role over time but that your role remains true to the counterpart of where you are trying to take her.
Just stay the course.
Just stay the course.
11/24/2013 at 1:43 pmCan we get a big “Amen!” here, brothers!
11/24/2013 at 4:52 pmJust had to chime in, and give a round of applause to J66R. Heed his wisdom, because… in all honestly, he has come the furthest of any of us. Hearing his story, and having seen his year unfold here… it is pretty clear he started further back than any of us, and has reached top-1% levels of success. His advice is a testament to perseverance, and taking one’s time. THAT is how you get results.
11/25/2013 at 10:21 pmFirst,
I have taken heed to what a lot of you have posted on this sight and several of you I have come to realize are full of wisdom, faustsboon, tap, fizbin and espeshly J66R… You all have given me hope and are my light house through the fog.
Second,
i did remove WCS when I added the other two…
Third.
the update:
sunday we had a four hr long talk, argue, talk, more argue, more talking… She wants me to be the loving romantic I was when we started dating and I said I am fine with that but I want the chick that liked to have sex all the time back. She said she will try to change. I said u have said that before and I do not believe you just like how you say you will do any thing else I ask yet don’t. She said I promises I will just ask, go a head ask me right now something….
I said fine, I want u to cut you har. She said no I don,t like my hair short. I said see you won’t change. Her, “any thing but that, try something else.” I then said ” fine, ON Your Knees. BLow Me”.
I forgot to say that this was all going on in are unfinished basement, a damp dirty basement…
Her, “um what if are sun comes down here?” Me, “down”. I then pulled some towels out of the hamper dropped them on the floor for her to kneel on and DOWN she went! And that was the end of the four hr talk/argument…
Plater that night I even got to have sex with her, hot and heavy with her passing out after as she was telling me how much she loved me…
Pwe will see if this continues or a fluke. I plan to keep up my end hope she keeps up hers.
11/25/2013 at 11:15 pmExcellent!
Now make sure you pull out ALL the stops and be that “loving romantic” she just paid for…okay?
Then make sure you let her know that you really appreciate her great effort and that if she keeps that up and takes it even further so will you…and then again….live up to the bargain.
Hopefully you two can change this this from trying to outdo each other in pain, guilt & misery to trying to outdo each other in giving each other the best love and pleasure you can imagine.
Man, I hope you guys can do that. But you have to lead, Brother, and lead in all fairness. ‘Cause that’s what a real “Man” does.
11/27/2013 at 10:05 pmLike others say, stay the course, you may just have to stick with only His Happiness, and a Submissive type script alone for a months to get this behavior out( or sledgehammers of those types), those types of scripts really are gold in laying the foundation for other behaviors. Focusing on just those two behaviors will keep the message from being diluted and make everything else fall into place in the future.
Maybe consider if you are a Gold member (if not get it, its totally worth being able to do) making a script for yourself to reinforce Alpha male qualities to boot. I think constant power struggles can wear a man down and eventually turn him into a beta male over time, even if he doesn’t realize it or intend it. I think you did a good job with your story of the basement BJ, she obviously takes to being commanded, she really wants that deep down. I think most women do, they somewhere along the lines lose trust, and feel afraid to give you control again. Keep asserting dominance over her, in a commanding but respectful tone. Immerse her in scripts like His Happiness and Submissive scripts as much through the day and all night whenever possible. Start weaving that crap into her music if possible. But don’t think of yourself as a true slave master either, you must make the effort to woo her and wine and dine her and such, it pays off, because women think so much differently about sex than we do.
The thing with her confusing and turning around the part from WCS? Do you keep your voice speed low? or pauses between statements? her subconscious might be getting some things turned around if the voice speed is too quick or there are not enough pauses to process info, each woman is a little different in that regard I think.
Just my two cents. You are the only one who can walk your path, but take all our advice and incorporate it into your training regimen, report back all successes, because they encourage us all.
11/27/2013 at 10:30 pm@ eldrin,
i do not have gold yet, perhaps after the first of the year… You ask about the voice speed, how do I change that? Is that not controlled by the mp3 format? As for the wooing part most people view me as a hopeless romantic, when I get going all stops are off.
now the update:
let me just say that for monday and Tuesday she has curled my toes… I don’t have time right now tot give u details but will tell more latter tonight…
11/27/2013 at 10:47 pmif you have silver, then trainer’s subs should have a good slow speed to the voices already, not sure what speed he actually used. With Gold you can set the voice speed to whatever you want, usually a “slow voice as if talking to a child” speed is preferable. But Having Gold will allow you to create your own, or tweak Trainer’s to your needs. Its totally worth it IMO.
12/19/2014 at 10:12 pm500 to 5000 miliseconds, its listed in most of his old files and some of the longer training files on the e-script file
so in some cases that .5 seconds to 5 seconds in between vocal association -
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