Help requested

[brownie]

11/22/2014 at 7:00 pm

ok guys, I enrolled into this program about half a year ago, but despite many different changes in the approach based upon everything I’ve been reading in this forum, i’m still not getting the desired results. So I figured it was time to turn back to you for you advice. Perhaps this might also be relevant for other newbies or people experiencing the same problems i’m having.

I realize that in the beginning I made all the usual beginners faults, especially shooting to many files at once. After your comments on that earlier this year, i reduced the number of files and concentrated more on the sex part, especially giving her a desire to suck my cock and to swallow everything.

A complication is the fact that we are dutch speaking, and there are not that many good dutch voices available. So I ended up with 3 voices (2 female ones but with totally different accents as one is more typical for the Netherlands and the other one more with a Belgian accent, and a male voice). I’ve tried mostly using the female voice that mostly matches our region.

Another complication is of course that I have to write the scripts in dutch. In most cases, I’ve tried to take (parts of) scripts that other members on this board were discussing and that seemed succesful, and I tried to translate these to meaningful dutch sentences instead of literally translating them. So as initially I’ve used your own scripts, i obviously can’t show you what I have made of it in dutch.

I’ll try to describe below everything I have done so far.

For text-to-speech, initially i have used Balabolka and more recently have switched to Text Aloud. I’ve always tried to reduce the speed and pitch a little bit in order to give the message more time. I have also included 2 (or sometimes 5) seconds intervals between parts in the script.

In Audacity, I have also been experimenting based upon things I found here in the forum: using the Nyquist-scripts from Trainer, Qwerty and Eldrin81, i have tried adding echo, at some point i have even tried adding orgasm sounds in the subliminal file. I had always applied a volume reduction of -42,2 as suggested by Trainer. More recently I have also tried reducing the volume to -25 and -17 as suggested by some other members.

Playback mostly happens on three different devices:
– during the night, they run on my smartphone (Samsung galaxy S2) which lies on the nightstand on my side of the bed, volume all up, producing some very light squeeking noice
– at daytime, they mostly run on my computer which is placed in a side corner of the living room, and which is equiped with rather good speakers from Creative. With my ears next to it, i can hear the squeeking, but in the erst of the room it’s not noticable
– more recently, i’ve also started playing them on my wife’s laptop, a medion with very light speakers. Even the -17 ones are not consciously hearable at all, but perhaps that’s good in order not to attract her attention to this. She uses this laptop quite a lot for her job, so i figured this is where she will be most submitted to the subliminals. I used the winamp player for this (in somewhat hidden mode), and recently i’ve switched to the new TJ Player.

Very recently, based upon Serebus posts, i have even installed the mind of a winner subliminal program on her laptop, where it flashes exactly the same messages as in the scripts in the audiofiles. Very curiously, during the last 2 weeks i have the impression that she has become a little bit more openminded and uninhibited when it come to sex, but still she doesn’t take the initiative to suck me and doesn’t allow me to come in her mouth. So the intented goal has certainly not been reached yet. But as i have seen a very small change in her attitude, i’m not sure if it comes from the audio subs or the flashing text subs.

Currently, i’m running one to one translations of Trainers files on WCS and submissive thoughts wife v2.

Regarding my wife, she has never had a strong sex drive, even before we had kids. In most cases, we have sex once per couple of months. I’ve tried raising that with e.g. porn movies. She always argues then that she doesn’t need those to become aroused, but when she does watches one, she becomes a lot more loose and uninhibited. But it seems like she’s afterwards ashamed of that, because everytime it’s the same arguments against porn, so we don’t see it that offen. And in most cases, during day time she’s too busy with lots of stuff, and in the evenings, she’s too tired, so that’s why we don’t have sex very often. Her nature is also rather dominant instead of submissive, when i try to influence her, she’s always pushing back.

So, what do you guys make of all this ? Reading all your succes stories makes me rather frustrated, as it is clear to me that you can actually change their behavior with subliminals. So my guess is that I must be doing something wrong, but what ?

Really looking forward to your feedback and suggestions. And sorry for the very long mail, but i thought it was useful to write down all that seemed relevant.

[MasterSouthernStar]

11/22/2014 at 8:11 pm

Brownie;

First off let me say that I don’t know diddly. I’m no authority on anything. That being said – here’s my opinion….

Sounds to me like your wife doesn’t feel good about sex being something “good people” do. She enjoys it because of the physical stimulus – but feels guilty because people like her aren’t supposed to enjoy that – it’s dirty. It seems like it’s the most common attitude for western society. I would suggest setting your script up to work on her attitude towards sex. Try to reinforce the little part of her that enjoys it. Let her know that enjoying life is good. Humans wouldn’t have the capability if we weren’t meant to enjoy it – things like that. If she’s religious point out that these are God given capacities and the restrictive attitude our society has is MAN made – not of God. Basically come up with every supportive idea you can to make sex something that good people do – and present those. Work those ideas into her subconscious and – if presented rationally enough – she will have to come around. Once she’s accepted sex as something she can feel good about participating in – then you can work on what specific acts you want.

Anyway that’s my take on the situation. You didn’t have an answer yet so I thought I’d put it out there. I might be wrong – but I might not too. Please keep the forum posted as to what you do and whether it works or not. I know we’re all wishing you the best of luck!

MSS

[LordIceWing]

11/24/2014 at 2:28 am

I have to say that I’m in agreement with MSS here…

Many sub-cultures within society (especially in America thanks to our TWO CENTURY DEAD Puritanical Overlords) have a negative bias against expressedactualized sexuality, personal pleasure (especially that of women).

I’m not going to go so far as to say you should use the ‘god based’ scripts in the library, but I WOULD say that you may want to consider writing your own files and constructing them, to allow her to SLOWLY become more comfortable with whatever you both want to do…

Also, and I’m just spitballing here, but if she’s not onboard with the subliminals, she could be actively resisting them at a subconscious level…

And, another thought, and I recognize this may be difficult with kids, but do you still ‘court’ your wife?

[brownie]

11/24/2014 at 11:30 am

Some interesting ideas here. Thank you for that.

She’s not religious, so that’s certainly not the problem. However, she once told me long time ago that in her young days, she found it disturbing to hear her parent have sex in the bedroom next to her, as it made her very uncomfortable. Also, I was her first bf and she had absolutely no sexual experience before meeting me. I on the other hand am a number of years older, and I was at the time already very interested in a lot of kinky stuff, including the need to move into swinging and other kinky stuff. While we were dating, i discussed those things with her in my naive idea that it might get her interested in that sort of stuff too, especially as she always had the attitude of someone brave enough to try-out everything. She on the other hand, seemed to tell me that she was not ready for that sort of stuff, and that it would take time to get there. I always made my long term intentions clear but told her that i was willing to take it step by step according to her tempo.

This has been a constant conflict between us throughout our relationship, we’ve been married for 20 years now. We come along rather fine in other aspects of our live which is why i stayed with her. But on this particular subject, she has always been resisting to try new things and i made only very little progress. I do realize now that probably on a conscious or subconsious level, she is resisting to move in that way, which is probably why the subliminals don’t have an effect. The big question is: what can I do to counter this resistance ?

[Fizbin]

11/24/2014 at 11:56 am

Since she does appear to loosen up with the erotic movies, perhaps there is indeed an aspect of social (if not religious) conditioning to her resistance. If that is the case, perhaps you can emphasize the naturalness and normalcy of sexual arousal, rather than the some of the bible based affirmations. Some examples:

Good girls get aroused by their husbands.
It is natural to feel sexy with Brownie.
I love to please Brownie.
Sex with Brownie feels wonderful.
All my friends have sex with their husbands.
I get turned on quickly and easily by Brownie.
etc…

Substitute your own colloquialisms as appropriate for your language and region.

[tonguester4_69]

11/24/2014 at 3:08 pm

While I agree with all that’s been said by others, regarding social bias about sex, it seems to me the bigger problem is her dominant attitude.If she has the attitude of being in control of our sex life, regardless how you feel, she is probably not only resisting subconsciously, but consciously as well. Most especially if you have not seen results with sex based themes, perhaps you would be better served in taking on the task of convincing her to become submissive. In my own life, I made no progress sexually, until my wife was convinced she ought t submit to me as her lord, second only to God. Feminism is one of the great evils of our generation, in my opinion. At any rate, if she believes she ought to be in control of when, where, and how sex is performed, regardless of how you feel, there’s little or no incentive to change. There’s much more I think regarding this, but I think a start you ought to pursue submission first. My two cents for what it’s worth.

[brownie]

11/24/2014 at 6:21 pm

I’ve been thinking about that too. That’s the reason why currently i also have a submission script running next to the WCS script. When i say that she as a rather dominant nature, it’s certainly not in our sexlive but rather in general. In all our social contacts, be it with (my) relatifs or our friends, she tends to think that her opinion counts the most and the others should comply to what she thinks. This has already led to quite a number of difficult situations in the past.
But sexually, she’s not like that at all. She’s not (and actually never was) ‘hungry’ for sex or horny from herself. And when we do have sex (in generall once per 1/2 months) she enjoys it but prefers it nevertheless to be done in a hurry. I’ve never experienced her wanting to go on for a long time. Even when I get her to watch a porn movie, she first refuses to watch it because she says she doesn’t need that to get aroused, then complies when i insist, then gets very aroused while she’s watching, sometimes steps a bit beyond her normal bounderies and acts reasonably slutty as i like it, then when she has come a few times (i wanna make it fun for her too of course) and then she seems to lose interest and wants to get it over with; sometimes even when only she has come and i haven’t. In most other cases, she just says that i have to look porn myself or that i have to look for someone else to do kinky stuff with.
Because of this attitude, i’m not sure a script on being submissive will be enough. I don’t want a sub slave if she doesn’t enjoy the sex part of it herself.

[trainer81]

11/24/2014 at 7:03 pm

Hey brownie, I got your messages and I decided to post here. I was going to try and reply to your thread last Saturday but my mobile device had other ideas, go figure lol

What I’m thinking is your wife is in deed resistant since she see’s herself as a dominant person. What you need to do is break down that dominant behavior which will be hard to do at first.

First step you need to make her feel weak an submissive.

By weak I mean she shouldn’t feel like she’s in control of everything and that she should keep her options to herself.
And for submissive, you need to make her feel more mellow.

So right now I’d work on breaking down her dominant side and building that submissive nature. Make her feel good when she acts submissive and encourage her for the behavior you want.

[Tap]

11/28/2014 at 6:57 pm

As Trainer and tonguester indicated, your main problem is her dominant attitude. You have concentrated on mainly the sex part, but her domineering personality imposes herself when you want to have sex. It’s why you still don’t have too much sex.

A few years ago, many of my friends would have said my wife has a dominating personality and did what she wanted. I was too nice and let her do it. For almost two years now, I’ve used subliminals to change that dynamic. My main concern is changing her dominating personality to be more submissive and obedient. Now our sex life is much better as a result because when I tell her we are going to have sex, she complies more or at least asks if it can be tomorrow if she’s tired. The point is, it’s going to happen.

You have to build a foundation and it starts with a good submissive file that is played constantly to break down her dominant behavior. Don’t even focus on sex yet. This will take awhile and patience is key. If you focus on the submissiveness for a month and start seeing changes, then introducing a sex subliminal would see more results. In addition, you should try and take charge more so that she falls into that submissive role. Also, reward her submissive behaviors when she obeys you with a compliment.

[brownie]

11/29/2014 at 9:41 pm

Hi Tap, this sounds very interesting. For the last couple of weeks, i had some subliminal lines running that focus a bit more on being submissive, but in addition with the sex script. But just like the sex one, i don’t see any effect.
Today was really meaningful: i must admit i’m having a bad temper the last days and especially in the weekends as i’m getting nowhere. So today also, I was really being mad and as a result being more pushy and dominant towards her. What I noticed was that she also started to get more agressive to me, so absolutely no trace of any submission yet.
On the other side, i’ve bene asking her for years to change her eye make-up from blue to black because i find it a bit more slutty but she never did. I had also a couple of lines integrated on dressing more slutty. To my surprise, this week she came home with a black eye pencil. Now, i’m not sure if it’s coincidence or if it’s really the subliminal, but it could be at least a sign that she’s picking up something. That’s one of my major questions at the moment: am i not seeing any results because het dominant attitude is pushing back, or is she simply not hearing the subliminals.
I’m going to have a closer look at your scripts on submissiveness and to Trainers’ ones.

[brownie]

12/01/2014 at 8:02 am

Following Taps’s advice, i adapted my scripts and focused more on the submissive part, so i combined elements from his and Trainers’ submissive scripts. I was wondering if it would be useful to make these in two versions with a female and a male voice that play in turns ? As she’s obviously resisting to be submissive, i was thinking that the female voice perhaps doesn’t have enough power to convince her, and that she might better react to a male voice.
I’m also considering bringing the converter sub back in play, as so far i haven’t seen any real evidence that she’s pisking up anything from the subs. Would that be a recommended move ?
I’ve also been thinking: has anyone ever bene experimenting here with adding isochronic tones into the subliminals ? A lot of the commercial subs do that because they claim they help in bringing the brain into the right mode for picking up the suggestions.
Last: is there finally somewhere an agreement on using “I” versus “you” in the affirmations ? Almost every site i read on the topiv formulates different opinions on that. Is there in your experience any empirical evidence that one performs better over the other ?

Thanks for your view on these topics.

[Fizbin]

12/01/2014 at 12:50 pm

There has actually been quite a bit of discussion here regarding several of these points. I am no expert on isochronics, but as for the voice genders and pronouns, there are a number of considerations:
1. Male voice: Unless she has really a weird self image, I wouldn’t suggest this except in second/third person as a social pressure “{Name} should [action X]” or “{Name} is [characteristic Y]” “You are [characteristic Y]”.
2. Female voice: This is used in both first and second person, sometimes even third, because people actually talk to themselves this way.
3. Although they are now semi-retired, this site used to feature some files in a mode called “sledgehammer”, wherein multiple male and female voices (in different pronoun usage) were overlaid. The idea was that this would simulate overheard conversations at a party. I was not personally a fan of this style/effect, which I compared to the Logan’s Run “There is no Sanctuary” scene.
4. I preferred more of a “call and answer” format, where one voice might say “You are (and/or {Name} is) X” and the primary Self voice would say “I am X” or “I enjoy being X”. Several files I have made for my wife follow this format.

[brownie]

12/01/2014 at 8:11 pm

Actually, on another forum, I read that using the “I” mode would be less effective, because it there would be higher risk that it would be ignored by the subconscious because it knows that the statements are not true. On the other hand, using “You are” would be less questioned by the SC and more considered as social pressure and therefore more effective. Of course, there are other sites that claim just the opposite. So i’m wondering what’s the most effective. Perhaps the best is to have both angles together, either in a sledgehammer or in separate subliminals.

[Fizbin]

12/02/2014 at 3:21 am

If you go into the library, you will find that many scripts do exactly that. Not always in the same proportions, but you usually find both first and second person affirmations in there, even if they are in the same voice..

[trainer81]

12/09/2014 at 6:37 pm

Hows it going Brownie? If you need any further help just let me know

Trainer81

[brownie]

12/09/2014 at 10:40 pm

Hi Trainer. Thanks for the offer. Much appreciated. So far, nothing is happening, so i’m getting a bit depressed.

I followed the advice offered in this thread, and decided to focus more on the submissive part. To realise that, I made the following files:
– a converter file with female voice (almost literal translation of your latest converter script that you posted a couple of weeks ago)
– a converter file with male voice (same script as the other one) just in case she would be more responding to that one
– a file based upon your latest version of the submissive wife script with female voice in the first person (“I”)
– same file with a male voice in the second person (“you”)
– in addition, i still have one file running for WCS in female voice in first person, but this gets a lot less exposure as the other 4 files together take up more playing time.
All files are 2-3 minutes and are repeated inside the file itself to have a total length of 8-11 minutes.
All files are translated in dutch, so difficult to have you check out the translation, but they’re all based on your own files.

They have been running for about 2 weeks now. Because i wasn’t noticing any results, a couple of days ago i added an alpha isochronic tone to the same files, as I noticed a lot of other subliminals are also doing that.

These files are playing constantly at night on my cellphone which is on my side of the bed obviously, and during daytime they play on both my PC (with good PC speakers) and on her own laptop, which are both situated in our living room.

In addition to this, following Serebus’ example, I installed the Mind of a winner software on her laptop, and that program is constantly flashing variants of the same messages in first person on her screen with a 4 seconds interval and 10 ms duration (subconscious).

So I figure that she should be receiving a lot of stimuli for both her auditory and visual senses. On top of that, I try to take up a more dominant role myself and take more charge. And yet, she doesn’t show any signs that she’s picking up anything. She’s friendly and doing lot of normal daily life stuff for me the way she already did before, but when I try to push her into something that crosses her bounderies, she doesn’t seem to comply more easily. Also, on the sex side, last couple of weeks was nothing, but I have to admit I didn’t try to start anything myself either cause she was having a bad cold, so i didn’t want to bother her with that.

The thing is anyway that I’m getting the impression that she’s totally deaf and blind for all subliminal stimuli. Which I find very weird after reading all the succes stories here.

Looking forward to your experienced vision on this.

[trainer81]

12/10/2014 at 12:31 am

I haven’t encountered this case before but it sounds like she’s by Dominate nature.

Like for example when she’s hearing the subliminal messages telling her to be submissive. That dominate nature is rejecting those messages.

You also mentioned she has friends who accept her dominate side and follow her. This is something she craves and when those friends of hers follow her, she feeds off it. What this is it’s sort of a habit. The good thing is habits can be broken and new ones can be formed

What dose she do for a job and what kind of friends dose she have? What you need to do is redirect her lifestyle and get ride of those friends if you can.

Trainer81

[brownie]

12/10/2014 at 3:10 pm

This is probably a rather good interpretation, at least partially.

She has indeed always shown some signs of a dominant nature, or at least she expects everyone to comply to her way of seeing things. This has always been the case towards me, my relatives, our friends, … and it has always been kind of stimulated by her parents who show the same attitude. They are very friendly and will do everything for you – according to their standards of what they see as normal – but they have never been very open to the fact that others might see things differently. They will also go all the way to get what they want, including almost a way of stalking in order to get people to do what they want to obtain. Just as an example: last year her father had a car accident, and the Insurance company wanted to wait with paying out the damage untill they saw more clearly in the root cause as a foreign driver was involved. My father in law has been calling the insurance company on a daily basis untill they were so tired of him that they paid him out. This is the sort of attitude they share, and to some degree, they apply that to anyone, which has led already to quite some conflicts in the past and makes that everyone is very cautious in how they treat my wife and inlaws. So, I would definately agree that these are signs of a dominant nature.

It also makes that she takes good care of me in the ways that seem appropriate for her, but at the same time, the things that I want that are not in line with her vision are rejected as abnormal, things that “normal people” don’t want. This is certainly the case where it comes to sex, as she is very vanilla and I am rather attracted to very kinky stuff. Everytime that i’m trying to get her to get beyond her bounderies, she argues with the fact that our friends don’t do that sort of stuff either. So you can imagine that this has also been the cause of some conflicts over the years.

You asked for her job and friends. For the last years, she has been working as a freelancer meaning that she is her own boss and doesn’t have to listen to anyone. She just takes on the assignments that interest her, and if she doesn’t match well with the employer giving her that assignment, than she will rather turn it down, even if it pays good money. Actually i now come to realise that this another indication of that dominant nature. Besides that, she has no close friends of her own. There are a couple of old schoolfriends and collegues that she has contact with from time to time (mostly once per year), but it’s not like they hang out together on a regular basis. Besides that, she has some far acquaintances, e.g. from a weekly evening activity that she attends, but you cannot call that friends. The closest person she does something with from time to time is the wife of one of my friends, and she is certainly not someone with the same dominant attitude. So, very difficult to redirect her lifestyle and to get rid of some friends of hers. Besides that, she’s mostly stuck in her family life, taking on an assignment from time to time, taking care of the kids, and that’s about it. And she’s happy with just that. She has ever shown a need or ambition to have more in life, like e.g. to dress sexy, to eat in good restaurants, … The only exception is that she like to travel far but still simple, no need for luxury vacations.

Over the years of our marriage, I had always believed that in time she would come around after being exposed to things outside of her normal comfort zone, but after 20 years of trying, she hasn’t changed that much. That’s the reason i hoped that by using subliminals I would be able to change her subconscious thinking.

Looking forward to your reaction. Or from anyone with similar experiences.

[Tap]

12/10/2014 at 6:30 pm

I really think you would benefit from a simple submissive file for her. Before you see improvements in sex with a sex subliminal, her whole attitude and way of thinking toward you has to change and the foundation has to be built.

Also, does she understand and speak english well enough like you seem to do? If so, you might try a straight english subliminal instead of a dutch one. As long as she understands, i feel it might still have an affect. I’m thinking the dutch ones you make may not come out or sound right so her subconscious is simply rejecting it or doesn’t understand it clearly.

For example, my wife is not a native English speaker, and she speaks 3 other languages fluently. We do however talk only English at home. The english subliminals work just fine with her but I make really sure Zira says everything slowly and clearly.

[Fizbin]

12/10/2014 at 7:15 pm

It sounds to me like there are a couple of key factors.
1. What you have been calling dominance is more a need to feel things are under control. While she has historically had to be the one with that control, in many respects she appears willing to allow someone else (i.e. you) to have that control where they have proven themselves. In this case, she is happy to turn down jobs because you actually have supporting the family under control.
2. That is coupled with a very low tolerance for risk, and a desire for conformity.

Taking this into account, one focus of your affirmations should probably be on feeling herself becoming more submissive and comfortable with your decisions, and emphasizing you being in control. In addition, you should have affirmations that provide assurance that the behaviors you are looking for are normal.

[brownie]

12/10/2014 at 11:55 pm

Trying to answer your comments in their respective order.

@ Tap: She does speak and understand english, but definately not as fluent as I do. Enough to have a conversation with someone however; we spend our summer in the USA this year and she had no problem understanding people in a general conversation, even though her own vocabulary is more limited. That’s why i’m hesitating a bit to have her listen to english versions, as their might be specific terms that she wil not understand. E.g. i’m not sure if terms like “submissive”, or in a sexual context “cum” will be understood by her, aand in that case she would just listen to them without understanding the meaning, which seems rather ineffective to me. But I could give it a try of course.

@ Fizbin: not sure about the need to have things under control, because she’s not that much of a control freak to me; in fact she’s often more someone letting things on the loose, like in the household where she lets things like laundry pile up untill it becomes a problem and she has to do extra effort to catch up. It’s more that she has a certain vision about certain stuff, and she just expects everyone to have that same vision and act according to it. At the same time, that vision is very conservative/traditional, so people who have visions that are less conservative are considered as “abnormal”. That applies to a whole range of domains, like raising kids, alternative health care (like homeopaty), and obviously also sex.

This being said, i do follow you when you say that besides the submissive part, i could also put more stress on accepting those other behaviors as normal. Do you know of any scripts that already work on that ? I don’t that I have encountered any like that before here on the forum.

Funny thing happened though yesterday. We were watching house of cards and it ended with a rather erotic scene. When we went to bed afterwards, she spontaneously started playing with my dick which doesn’t happen that often that she takes the initiative, and it ended up with her giving me a BJ in 69 position. The thing is that she was sucking more enthousiastically than normal and it ended with me coming over her face, not in her mouth though. I’m now wondering if this is just coincidence from watching that scene on tv, or if somehow i’m actually seeing a first sign of those subliminals (both the WCS file as the flashed messages on her laptop) beginning to work. Curious if I will see some more signs during the next days.

[Fizbin]

12/11/2014 at 3:11 am

It is possible that you are starting to see effects, but keep patient. One thing that does occur fairly regularly (especially in the beginning), is a “two steps forward, one step back” pattern. You might also experience a few apparently false starts, where something random happens, but doesn’t recur for a while. But eventually those random events become more frequent and evolve into the norm.

Just don’t take a one time thing and think it means it is time to change to a different program. It can take many weeks of a consistent exposure at the beginning to get lasting results. Also, don’t discount the power of the female cycle. It can be a blocker at some times, and an enhancer at others.

[brownie]

12/11/2014 at 3:23 am

For the moment, i’m not really assuming that it’s starting to work, although it might be the case. Currently, The WCS files has been playing for weeks now, it has gone a bit to the background though two weeks ago as i then started to put more emphasis on the submissiveness and the convertor file. Question: do you think it makes sense to keep that convertor file running ? I see very mixed ideas on that on the forum and of course it means less exposure to the two submissive files and the WCS file. For the rest, i’m not planning any changes to the playlist.

[Fizbin]

12/11/2014 at 3:42 am

I would personally drop the full converter. At this point it is just diverting attention from the active affirmations. I do have a few “inner voice” affirmations at the beginning of some of my files, but I don’t know that it really has much additional effect.

You might check out the “Husband’s Authority” file, as well as looking through some of the scripts in the slave section for files that encourage acceptance of various behaviors. Since you are translating and editing anyway, it is easy enough to substitute the terms wife and husband for slave and master (or maybe even leave them as is in some cases…)

[tonguester4_69]

12/11/2014 at 10:23 am

To add to what Fizbin suggested, the In Charge script is also a great file. It worked very well with my wife.

[seekenq]

12/11/2014 at 10:42 am

Brownie:

Where certain words, such as submissive, may not translate well from English I would try other words which make up your concept of submission.
This is an approach in my scripts even though both my wife and I are native English speakers.

[tonguester4_69]

12/11/2014 at 10:45 am

Also another thing I’ve noticed is that sometimes if I give my wife a break from a script, a couple days later she will exhibit behaviors in line with the script. With regards to kinky behavior, is her assertion that your friends are not like that true? Does she really know, or is she just throwing that out, daring you to challenge it? My wife was very similar in attitude to your wife going in, with regard to submission. Part of the process in her training, was my being willing to challenge her assertions and ideas bout what is “normal”. Food for thought. I personally use several self-help files to help me be more my side of the D/s relationship I’m looking for in my marriage.

[brownie]

12/13/2014 at 5:16 am

Do you mean that sometimes you pause the subliminals for some time ? How long ? Couple of days or longer ?
Regarding your other question: it is indeed true that our friends are absolutely not kinky, actually to the point that we are both starting to feel more and more that they are kind of boring, also regarding the other stuff that we do together. The funny fact is that my wife thinks our friends are too stuck in their daily routine and not open enough to try new things. But in a way she does exactly the same thing, especially when it comes to sex.
I’m also considering playing some help files on myself to develop more my dominant side.

[tonguester4_69]

12/13/2014 at 8:43 am

As to pausing the subliminals, that’s right. I know most here favor the constant pressure, and it seems to work for those that have natural breaks from them due to life intervening. I agree with that to a point, but I also believe the SC needs time to assimilate the files on it’s own.If I remember correctly, you’ve been playing the files for about a month now, with a change just recently. A general rule of thumb is to allow files at least a month to have an affect. If after a month you don’t see any change, try giving her a break for a couple days while you asses your strategy.
As I said before, I would use a script that goes to the heart of what causes your wife to be so resistant to change. In my case, it was her opinion that she was always right. Being Christians, it was easy to attack that directly, since the bible model for marriage is essentially a D/s relationship. Also I would concentrate on one area at a time. More than one file is fine as long as they are similar in theme. Trying to work on submission, as well as a particular sexual behavior can slow progress in my opinion. Hope this helps.

[trainer81]

12/15/2014 at 7:15 pm

Well it sounds like your wife subconscious is in fact resisting since her need to be in control is over powering the subliminal messages. Let’s look at it this way, this type of control is about feeling secure a safe zone.

What you need to do is help her feel safe as she becomes a submissive. The control thing is what she learned from her parents so it will be a long road to break it.

But since she was able to give you that BJ, that one night is showing that resistance is breaking down. But yes keep using the same program or methods you’ve been using to push for this behavior. The more she exhibits this behavior it should be encouraged letting it become habit forming.

Have you read one of Dream Girls many eBooks, Forming New Habits https://dreamgirlsgt.com/members-area/?id=81&fid=57&download=Forming-New-Habits-eBook

Say why don’t you try a test program something that’s English based. Something about love ?

I love my Husband.
My Husband loves me.
I feel safe with my Husband.
My Husband will keep me safe.

Refocusing your wife’s goals and everyday duties might help in her training to be more submissive.

[LordIceWing]

12/19/2014 at 9:13 pm

I’m going to play devil’s advocate here, and probably say some things that nobody else will.

First, if your wife does have a Dominant personality (and remember that we’re not talking about kink, but that her nature says she has to either be an equal or in charge), then I agree that you’re not going to have any luck ‘feeding’ her subliminals which are going to push her towards a more submissive mentality.

I’ll even go a bit further. If you’re feeding her subliminals which are directly opposed to her core gestalt nature, then it’s going to result in ‘bad things’. Irritability, anger, frustration.

Why? you ask…

Because she’s got a voice in her head that’s pissing her off. And guess who is putting it there?

Yeah…

So, I’m getting the impression you’re not doing this with her knowledgeconsent…

If she figures it out, well, it’s not going to have a good reaction… As such, you may want to figure out what’s more important here…

Again, you have to make the decisioncall for yourself, but it would be something I’d at least consider. The idea of all of this is fun and good, and when used responsibility, I do believe it can be a PART of a CONSENSUAL adjustment in a relationship. But, is it worth potentially the negative consequences that could result IF (and I stress the if) your wife’s subconscious firmly rejects the messages you’re trying to put out there, and it causes ongoing stress in her mind (and, as a husband, how does that make you feel?)

Sorry if this is coming across as negative, but sometimes I think that there needs to be an opposing view point so as to ensure that people don’t fall into group think.

[Tap]

12/19/2014 at 9:49 pm

LordIceWing does present a valid viewpoint.

I will say that my wife had a dominant type of personality before the subliminals. After a year and 8 months of daily subliminals, she obeys me more and is fairly submissive. There are times I see that dominant personality flair up when we argue, but it is much more contained now. While I can’t say she’s a total submissive, much progress has happened from before.

I agree that she will hear a voice that’s pissing her off, but eventually she will come around through time. I believe even the most hated of things can be changed through subliminals with the right wording and enough repetitions.

[isteral]

12/19/2014 at 11:41 pm

@tonguester4_69 said:

While I agree with all that’s been said by others, regarding social bias about sex, it seems to me the bigger problem is her dominant attitude.If she has the attitude of being in control of our sex life, regardless how you feel, she is probably not only resisting subconsciously, but consciously as well. Most especially if you have not seen results with sex based themes, perhaps you would be better served in taking on the task of convincing her to become submissive. In my own life, I made no progress sexually, until my wife was convinced she ought t submit to me as her lord, second only to God. Feminism is one of the great evils of our generation, in my opinion. At any rate, if she believes she ought to be in control of when, where, and how sex is performed, regardless of how you feel, there’s little or no incentive to change. There’s much more I think regarding this, but I think a start you ought to pursue submission first. My two cents for what it’s worth.

Sorry to add this late but I agree with the feminism part of this but its not been until recently that Feminism as a whole has not been what its suppose to be, its been in an essence turned into this men are teh devil and women will never get anywhere being submissive. when in fact being feministic actually means being a woman that not only submits but submits in a way that gives her empowerment of the final decision. the latest reasons for this change are wide and varied but in the end it was because certain women who were left in a way i want to say broken but that’s not quite right decided that feminism should actually mean that the woman always has to make the decisions or is in fact not a feminine woman at all.

[brownie]

12/20/2014 at 3:58 am

A lot of reactions here of different nature, which makes it a bit difficult for me to react to all of them in a structured manner, as i’m trying to figure out what the most important messages are.

First of all i have to say that indeed i’m not trying to do this with her consent, like i guess most of people here on this board. If it were up to my wife, she’s just happy with our situation. She’s married, we have two nice kids witht all their typical problems (like school…), i have a fine income, we live in a nice house, and i have never been too difficult except for the fact that I have always been open and clear about the fact that I would like more and especially more kinky sex, engage in swinging and so on. This is something she doesn’t share with me and that she considers to be signs of a sex addiction. Apart from that, she’s not very good in managing the household (keeping it clean in time, washing clothes, dishes, ..) and i must confess that i have never been constantly strict enough about that, so often she lets things pile up untill it becomes to much and then she gets into action. But all in all, she considers that our lives are perfect, even when i tried to discuss openly with her on what i need. The she responds by saying things like the grass is always on the other side of the hill, and that if i’m not happy that i should look for someone else, … regarding my wish to go swinging, she even told me at some point that i should then do that on my own. So, the way i see my options is either i learn to live with the situation, either we separate with all the fuzz and the problems it might cause for the kids, or either i try to change her into a wife that better matches my needs. Besides, despite the fact that we don’t match on the sexual side, there’s still a lot about her that i appreciate and still love her for, so it would be stupid to leave her just for the sex part, but on the other hand i’m really unhappy about the missing sex part in my life.

There’s i think some confusion on her dominant attitude. This is definately a part of her character, but it mostly shows towards other people, like my family and our friends or other people. To me, although mostly she puts the kids on the 1st place, she nevertheless tries a lot to make me happy, like from time to time cooks stuff that i like, is very friendly and willing to please me, without however being submissive, but once again, this does not apply to the sex part. There it’s always the same arguments, that she prefers cuddling and stuff, where i want harder sex. Sometimes i’m afraid it’s a bit selfish, but when i’m horny, i’m a absolutely not in a mood to be pleased by just cuddling, then i want the hard sex first and afterwards we can still cuddle. But this has lead to a situation where i mostly watch porn on my pc in order to satisfy my needs and chat on sexchat sites, while she watches tv. It has also lead to a situation in which we sometimes only have sex once in 2 months.

A couple of weeks ago, i wrote that i might be seeing the first signs of effect as after watching a sensual fragment in a tv episode, she got horny and gav me a real good BJ. After that, this hasn’t happened again however, so i thing it was a coincidence rather than a result of subliminals.
So i’m still in the situation that my current files, that mostly focus on being submissive and a little bit of WCS, don’t show me real signs that she’s actually picking something up. I think that there’s indeed a possibility that her SC is resisting all messages that go against how she shees her perfect world.
What’s more, the last couple of days she has started noticing the buzzing noise coming from my smartphone next to the bed, so i’ll have to turn down the volume a bit more to prevent her from becoming to suspicious. You can imagine that i’m getting a bit frustrated from not seeing any results. What i’m not sure about is the suggestion on making some custom subliminals in english in stead of dutch. Not sure if that would help if the dutch ones don’t work.
Looking forward to your reactions.

[Tap]

12/20/2014 at 11:58 am

I think most of us play the subliminals without our wives knowing. My wife doesn’t know.

I would try an english one to see how it works. When you make the dutch ones and you hear it in text aloud, does it come out clearly or does the automated voice say words strangely and with a bad accent?

[brownie]

12/20/2014 at 1:13 pm

No, it sounds pretty good and understandable actually. The only thing is that dutch doesn’t sound the same between “Holland” dutch and Belgian “flemish” dutch. We speak the latter but i have only been able to find a free version of a voice in “holland” dutch. So it doesn’t sound natural the way we speak. It’s as if someone from the other country would be speaking to us.

I could of course try to make an english custom one, but then of course i first need to find the right voices to do that.

[isteral]

12/20/2014 at 2:06 pm

@brownie said:

So i’m still in the situation that my current files, that mostly focus on being submissive and a little bit of WCS, don’t show me real signs that she’s actually picking something up. I think that there’s indeed a possibility that her SC is resisting all messages that go against how she shees her perfect world.
What’s more, the last couple of days she has started noticing the buzzing noise coming from my smartphone next to the bed, so i’ll have to turn down the volume a bit more to prevent her from becoming to suspicious. You can imagine that i’m getting a bit frustrated from not seeing any results. What i’m not sure about is the suggestion on making some custom subliminals in english in stead of dutch. Not sure if that would help if the dutch ones don’t work.
Looking forward to your reactions.

If you can grab audacity try lowering the decibel count to -35 or so that should give her a problem hearing it if shes tuning into the frequency it does mean shes hearing it though so stay the course but don’t let your frustration make you impatient. Also Trainer81: when I used these on my previous gf she said the silents always gave her headaches. she didnt know what they were doing but it was probably because the decibel count was too high? not sure here.

[LordIceWing]

12/20/2014 at 3:43 pm

My wife gets the headaches as well, and frankly, that’s a major concern. Why?

Well, since we’re doing this consensually, she knows they’re playing (we’ve talked about them and she’s read the siteforum), but I cannot expect her to suffer headaches all day long as a result of this… She’s willing to push through it some days, but others, well, as I said, I’m not going to cause her unnecessarily pain or discomfort.

Now, according to the DIY instructions, you’re supposed to drop the volume via amplification effect to -44.2, which to my thinking, is below -35.

So, are the headaches an effect of volume? Of the subconscious reacting? frequency resonance of some time? clashes with wording within the payload?

All of the above, or some combination of the above?

[Fizbin]

12/20/2014 at 4:09 pm

On both the headaches and the buzzing, the answer is the same, either lower the volume on the playback device, increase the attenuating “negative” amplification in Audacity.

[isteral]

12/20/2014 at 6:54 pm

well in point of fact my ex was extremely senstive to high pitch noise, could hear dog whistles.

[isteral]

12/20/2014 at 7:00 pm

@LordIceWing said:

Now, according to the DIY instructions, you’re supposed to drop the volume via amplification effect to -44.2, which to my thinking, is below -35.

actually when i meant lowering the decibel count that means raising it above -35 so that it becomes more neutral decibels are 1/s hertz so the closer to 0 you go the less squaking there is. but that will also make it more or less hearable as well

[Tap]

12/20/2014 at 11:30 pm

Well it can be kind of confusing. Basically, a higher negative means your subliminal will be more silent (less squeaking).

-44.2 = Trainer’s amp recommendation. Hardly any squeaking heard at the highest volume on any device.
-23 = This is what I use for my iphone. At the highest volume, squeaking is heard clearly with my ear close to the phone. It also is somewhat noticeable even a bit of a distance from the phone. You would have to put the volume lower to not hear squeaking.
-17 = I use this for my older mp3 player devices. The reason is because the volume output isn’t as high even on the highest level. Squeaking is about the same as the iphone one with the -23 version on the highest volume level. On a computer at the highest volume, the squeaking is loud enough where you can understand the voice speaking.

The level of amp to use depends on what kind of mp3 player you are using and how good of hearing your wife/gf has. In general though, best results can be obtained by putting it at the loudest volume that you can get away with. That way you know she’s hearing it. You can have the best worded subliminal but if she isn’t hearing it, it won’t affect her and all your work is for nothing.

[isteral]

12/21/2014 at 1:41 am

I stand corrected. its been about a year or so since ive dealt with the ampage formulas.

[brownie]

12/21/2014 at 2:11 am

Tap: when you say “lowering the decibel count to -35”, ‘m not certain that i understand it correctly. I do use Audacity to make my customs, and I follow the instructions given by trainer, with the exception that i reduce the volume with -17 as suggested and applied by some members here on this forum (I don’t recall if your’re one of them). Is this what you mean, or are you referring to another setting in audacity, like normallising or levelling ?

My wife curently doesn’t have headaches. She experienced those beginning of this year when i started playing the files, but today she doesn’t mention this anymore.

Apart from the living room where they are played on both my pc and her laptop, i mostly play them on my samsung galaxy s2 which is on my nightstand, so about 1 meter from her head. When i put my ear next to the speaker in the smartphone, i can hear the high piched squeeking, but lying in my bed on my side i can hear that only faintly. Sometimes i wonder if she can still pick something up on her side.

[seekenq]

12/21/2014 at 7:15 am

Several have reported that the headaches issues were solved by going to a lower Nyqust frequency.
I don’t recall who posted them but I used some at 90 Hz and the scripts seemed to effective.
You will need to play with the gain settings as well since the 90 Hz settings were more audible.
Sounds kind of like sounds you here underwater rather than the squeaking.

[Tap]

12/21/2014 at 9:34 am

@brownie said:

Tap: when you say “lowering the decibel count to -35”, ‘m not certain that i understand it correctly. I do use Audacity to make my customs, and I follow the instructions given by trainer, with the exception that i reduce the volume with -17 as suggested and applied by some members here on this forum (I don’t recall if your’re one of them). Is this what you mean, or are you referring to another setting in audacity, like normallising or levelling ?

My wife curently doesn’t have headaches. She experienced those beginning of this year when i started playing the files, but today she doesn’t mention this anymore.

Apart from the living room where they are played on both my pc and her laptop, i mostly play them on my samsung galaxy s2 which is on my nightstand, so about 1 meter from her head. When i put my ear next to the speaker in the smartphone, i can hear the high piched squeeking, but lying in my bed on my side i can hear that only faintly. Sometimes i wonder if she can still pick something up on her side.

I know it’s a bit confusing. I’m thinking of it in math terms.

A higher negative number means the number is lower to me in terms of absolute value because it is farther from the number 0. For example, the following numbers are arranged high to low in math terms.

45
30
15
0
-10
-17
-35
-44

In this instance, -44 is the lowest number. When it comes to amps, a -44 would be the most silent with almost no squeaking heard. At -17, it is fairly loud with some squeaking heard. If you put it at -5 or so, you would probably be able to hear the words spoken at a distance from the phone. If you put it at a positive number like 10, I’m pretty sure you would be able to hear the words almost clearly spoken.

[tonguester4_69]

12/21/2014 at 11:26 am

@Tap said:

@brownie said:

Tap: when you say “lowering the decibel count to -35”, ‘m not certain that i understand it correctly. I do use Audacity to make my customs, and I follow the instructions given by trainer, with the exception that i reduce the volume with -17 as suggested and applied by some members here on this forum (I don’t recall if your’re one of them). Is this what you mean, or are you referring to another setting in audacity, like normallising or levelling ?

My wife curently doesn’t have headaches. She experienced those beginning of this year when i started playing the files, but today she doesn’t mention this anymore.

Apart from the living room where they are played on both my pc and her laptop, i mostly play them on my samsung galaxy s2 which is on my nightstand, so about 1 meter from her head. When i put my ear next to the speaker in the smartphone, i can hear the high piched squeeking, but lying in my bed on my side i can hear that only faintly. Sometimes i wonder if she can still pick something up on her side.

I know it’s a bit confusing. I’m thinking of it in math terms.

A higher negative number means the number is lower to me in terms of absolute value because it is farther from the number 0. For example, the following numbers are arranged high to low in math terms.

45
30
15
0
-10
-17
-35
-44

In this instance, -44 is the lowest number. When it comes to amps, a -44 would be the most silent with almost no squeaking heard. At -17, it is fairly loud with some squeaking heard. If you put it at -5 or so, you would probably be able to hear the words spoken at a distance from the phone. If you put it at a positive number like 10, I’m pretty sure you would be able to hear the words almost clearly spoken.

If I understand what ya’ll are discussing, the short answer is yes- instead f -17 use -35.

[Tap]

12/21/2014 at 3:40 pm

It depends on how good your mp3 player is. I use -17 for my older mp3 players.

[isteral]

12/22/2014 at 12:57 pm

@Tap said:

It depends on how good your mp3 player is. I use -17 for my older mp3 players.

ya thats something else, it depends on the technology from the time frame it was made no?

[padraid]

12/26/2014 at 5:23 am

I must be doing something wrong when I create custom scripts. I am not hearing any noise when it is on high level. I am using a iPod Nano 2nd Gen with speakers plugged in. The wife only knows that I am playing a rain file at night.
The current script I have is one with both of our voices. During one of out sex play sessions. She was blind folded and I used an App on my phone called Easy Voice Recording. I had her reply lines after me that are not uncommon for her to hear but is not following 100% yet. A few days later I used the App to record my lines differently. Using Audacity I combined the 2 files to make 1 file with me speaking and then her replying.
The first file was mono at -44.2. I then created the file to stereo and used -44.2, -24, and -17 while following the other steps that Trainer has in his document.

Should I try to change this closer to 0 so that I hear noise when it is on full blast?

[tonguester4_69]

12/26/2014 at 6:44 am

The issue could be that you’re stating with a mono file. You could convert the file using WinFF to stereo,then follow your silent conversion protocol. I’m no expert on this stuff, Tap and Fizbin may have a better idea, they seem to be better versed in these things.

[Tap]

12/26/2014 at 9:05 am

@padraid said:

I must be doing something wrong when I create custom scripts. I am not hearing any noise when it is on high level. I am using a iPod Nano 2nd Gen with speakers plugged in. The wife only knows that I am playing a rain file at night.
The current script I have is one with both of our voices. During one of out sex play sessions. She was blind folded and I used an App on my phone called Easy Voice Recording. I had her reply lines after me that are not uncommon for her to hear but is not following 100% yet. A few days later I used the App to record my lines differently. Using Audacity I combined the 2 files to make 1 file with me speaking and then her replying.
The first file was mono at -44.2. I then created the file to stereo and used -44.2, -24, and -17 while following the other steps that Trainer has in his document.

Should I try to change this closer to 0 so that I hear noise when it is on full blast?

First, I think silents are better to handle than rain. On silents, she wouldn’t know anything is playing so won’t think anything weird about it. Do you use TextAloud to make your files?

I’ve never heard of easy voice recording. I would think all files have to be in stereo to be heard at the best quality. In audacity, if you use amp at -17, that is pretty loud at the highest volume and you should hear squeaking. Possibly combining files may have caused the issue. You can try using just her voice file to see if it works.

[padraid]

12/26/2014 at 10:22 am

I have used TextAloud. The easy voice recording is a free app for an android cell phone. In audacity if have 2 of the mono files together it lets you make it into 1 stereo file. Once it was in stereo is when I started to make changes to it.
I do have silent on of the same file that I run during the day. The silent one is the one I was trying to hear the squeaking in and can not.
I was wanting to see if her hearing her own voice would make a difference. I will test with TextAloud and may just have to stay with that if I hear the squeaking.

[brownie]

12/27/2014 at 1:46 am

Guys, time for an update. Yesterday was my 50th birthday which made me all day rather depressed because it caused me to reflect on how i spend the last 20 years and what i want to with the coming years, so I guess i wasn’t great fun yesterday to be honest. But at the end of the day, it led to a very open talk with my wife on the root causes for my sexual insatisfaction, which has become the main driver for a lot of things in my behavior and our relationship. The fact that we could talk openly is a good thing, especially as i have a tendency to be very closed about my feelings. (Btw, i’ve started reading that book ‘No more mr nice guy’ that was mentioned somewhere else on this forum and it’s quite an eye opener).

Before continuing on our chat, I want to remind you of what i’m trying to accomplish. For me it’s not just a matter of having an obedient wife and getting regular BJ’s. I have always been interested in kinky stuff, and for me this covers the whole range from watching porn together to experimenting with kinky stuff, and to experimenting with swapping and swinger clubs. My wife is aware of this need but doesn’t share it, which over the years has led to quite some arguments, and me spending a lot of time on internet watching porn and chatting in sexchats with her knowing that while she watches TV. She occasionally watches porn with me and on those occasions, she gets more hot and is more willing to be kinky, but in most cases she refuses to watch. She has also joined me a couple of times to swingerclubs (last time was 2 years ago), where she got hot from seeing the action but refuses to get actif with others. So basically, we went out in an erotic ambiance and had sex there in a quiet corner.

To cut a long story short, because of my birthday she promised me to repeat that in a couple of weeks from now. I took that as an ideal opener to start an open talk on what i need for my sexual desires. Two main things came out of that. She told me that she’s absolutely not interested in having sex with another guy if we would go to a swingersclub again, although i’d really like to see that. She respects my needs but as she doesn’t share them, she actually even proposed me to look for another woman in my situation so that we could go out to swingerclubs together. To be honest, even though a lot of men would perhaps be enthousiastic about that, i don’t like it as i would feel guilty towards her, and because i see a danger of getting really involved with that other woman if we have a click. I need a partner that i can share everything with, not a partner that grants me permission to do my stuff, so getting involved closer on a regular basis with someone who shares the same sexual needs is a danger for the relation with my wife. Secondly, she told me that even if she gets hot from watching porn, she doesn’t want to watch it when there’s a risk of being discovered by our kids (which are 17 and 14 years old), so basically this means that she only feels comfortable to watch it when they are not at home, which almost never happens except in summer holiday.

Now, i’ve always heard from others that one way to get your wife openminded for swinging and kinky sex is simply by watching more porn to get her more comfortable with the idea, but she clearly has a blocking issue with that especially when the kids are at home, so this is one of the first things to overcome. At the end of our long chat, we agreed that we have such different visions on sex and what we want to reach in our lives, that it’s very difficult for us to get out of it, and that perhaps we should try relationship/sexual councelling in order to find something that works for both of us.

Perhaps this is a good thing, but at the same time, i’m wondering if subliminals could help overcoming what’s blocking her from being more openminded. From this talk we had, i’m no longer convinced that running subliminals on being submissive to me and getting BJ’s are the right approach. What do you guys think about this ? How would you try to solve this ?

[Fizbin]

12/27/2014 at 2:37 am

@padraid said:

I must be doing something wrong when I create custom scripts. I am not hearing any noise when it is on high level. I am using a iPod Nano 2nd Gen with speakers plugged in. The wife only knows that I am playing a rain file at night.
The current script I have is one with both of our voices. During one of out sex play sessions. She was blind folded and I used an App on my phone called Easy Voice Recording. I had her reply lines after me that are not uncommon for her to hear but is not following 100% yet. A few days later I used the App to record my lines differently. Using Audacity I combined the 2 files to make 1 file with me speaking and then her replying.
The first file was mono at -44.2. I then created the file to stereo and used -44.2, -24, and -17 while following the other steps that Trainer has in his document.

Should I try to change this closer to 0 so that I hear noise when it is on full blast?

First, You are not “supposed” to be able to hear noise from your files under any conditions. That you can on some files is just a fluke. If you reopen the final output file in Audacity and see a waveform, the file is “good”, technically.

Second, Your recorded natural voices might not be at the same starting level or in the frequency range as the synthetic, and therefore may require tweaks in processing technique. One of these could be different amplification levels.

Finally, if you really aren’t sure, here is a little Nyquist snippet you can use in Audacity to “decode” a file back into the audible frequency range…

(setq carrier 14500)
(lowpass8 (mult 2 s (hzosc carrier)) 8000)

[padraid]

12/27/2014 at 5:02 am

When I first opened the file it was at 96000 which I re-sampled to 14400 to match the start of the process as you would get from TextAloud. When I run the file after following the steps, I do see a waveform still. So from that I would think it is good. I will leave it alone
Thanks Fizbin.

[Tap]

12/27/2014 at 11:06 am

Padraid,

As Fizbin said, a true silent, you shouldn’t hear any squeaking. However, it is my opinion that such a silent may not be loud enough to hear unless you are using earphones that get it straight to the brain or you use your computer nonstop that has very good speakers. Some mp3 players and phones do not have good sound output. To give you an example, my iphone plays my -23 version louder with more squeaking that my -17 version on an old mp3 player I’m using. My -23 output played on my computer with my good speakers at the highest volume, I can clearly hear the words said. Knowing how loud your output device works should be taken into account to adjust the amps accordingly for effective playing.

Even at realsubliminal.com, a “silent” I purchased on there had a guy’s voice saying the affirmations at a very low volume. When I put my ear to it, it wasn’t even squeaking, it was a guy talking. They must be doing something different.

I myself like the squeaking. If you are really making your customs at -17 amp, that is so loud that squeaking should be heard. You can use that decoder as Fiz said to double check, but I do think something is off on how you’re making it, and it really could be too quiet to make a difference.

Having said that, I do not think using her own voice will make that much a difference compared to a synthetic voice. To be on the safe side, you might just want to try making your subs the normal way with a synthetic voice because I’m sure you will still see results.

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12/27/2014 at 11:09 am

Brownie,

I find it interesting that you would want her to have sex with another guy. I know this is a common fantasy among some guys, but I could never understand it. I think you are opening a can of worms if you get her to have sex with another guy.

To your questions, I would still think a submissive subliminal would be good for her. However, making a custom focused on her being kinky and not just BJs, writing your affirmations exactly on how you want her to be, should help.