Consensus on Script/Affirmation/Topic Quantity and minutes.

[eldrin81]

12/05/2013 at 10:29 pm

Just thought I would start a thread whereby we could all post what we feel are optimum ranges for total affirmation volume.

Whether you use multiple scripts, or one custom script thats longer than normal, there seems to be something of a general consensus forming on the board about total number of affirmations for a playlist that is effective or point of diminishing returns.

For instance I’ve seen the general consensus on script volume be limited to 3, and better short term results with two.

These scripts typically seem to have focus on one or two topics.

Individual scripts in a multi script playlist rarely seem to run past 25-40 affirmations from what I’ve seen and still remain effective if the overall number of scripts are kept in check.

For those that just play one longer custom script, I’ve seen wider ranges of 50-150, with somewhere in the middle seeming more typical and possibly more effective?

I’ve seen outliers claiming effective use of scripts with as few as 10-20 lines, but those seem to be combined with other scripts on specific topics.

For those that use one custom script quantity of good affirmations seems to have some minimum set point, as well as a maximum. And definitely has a limit on the number of discrete topics that should be covered, just as in multi script play lists.

I just think we can come to some consensus on general ranges and numbers that have been effective for those that have seen progress, which will help future folk and provide some sort of anchor.

Total # of minutes: From what I can tell whether multi script or single script, most folks playlist total time does not generally top 10 minutes and without losing effectiveness.

I don’t think the multi script camp nor the single long script camp are more effective than one another, as a multi script playlist is really just a long script contained in seperate files, about discrete topics. This is no different than how someone constructing a long custom would organize the script, I know I do.

So really it boils down to this: What do you guys feel is the upper limit on the TOTAL number of affirmations on your playlist/single script that you play everyday, and number of discrete topics covered, after which you get diminishing returns?

[Fizbin]

12/05/2013 at 10:38 pm

I’ve been on the fewer/shorter side of the fence, but as an experiment, last night I actually composed and recorded a mega-script consolidating pretty much everything I’ve had and/or wanted in the individual customs I’ve been using. All of the themes are feathered in, and flow fairly smoothly from one to the next.

It is just short of 200 lines!!! That does include my pauses between blocks, as well as a few lines of player setup, so it is maybe just over 150 actual actionable affirmations.

Total play time – almost spot on 10 minutes.

I’ll be posting a commented version in another thread.

[eldrin81]

12/05/2013 at 10:43 pm

So these affirmations or topics were previously covered by separate scripts in a playlist?

How many affirmations were there total amongst all the individual customs you were using previously? and what was the total playtime of those scripts prior in your previous playlist?

[Fizbin]

12/05/2013 at 11:00 pm

I generally only played one or two of the original files at a time as a loop, though sometimes I got lazy and played the whole set as an “album”. There was a lot of repetition in the original files (more so than is still present in the megamix).

[sdalie]

12/06/2013 at 6:05 am

Eldrin,

Great topic, I have of late been running megga scripts that also have an occasional Amy conditioner using trainers script as an intro to my long files.

All of my past customs were written and created almost 6 months ago.

I am still amazed at how these programs DO WORK.

At present I am only running customs that all have 100 to 150 statements each.

I have six customs and rotate 2-3 everyday and all night.

I plan on a total rewrite the next 2 weeks adding in new ideas I want to play with and moving my successes to maybe 2 -4 statements of residual re-enforcement.

Looking forward to using the newer settings in the nyquist effect and some other great scripting examples I have been noting here.

Thanks to trainer for having this site and for all of you continueing to push our cause forward.

Sdalie

[Fizbin]

12/06/2013 at 10:45 am

Welcome back, sdalie!

I hope you’ll favor us with a status update!

[Tap]

12/07/2013 at 4:37 am

I’ve done a lot of research on the internet and through my own experience with that topic. This is what I’ve discovered:

-Most subliminal websites including this one have single topic subliminals anywhere from 10 to 25 affirmations max.

-Daily I use my own self help subliminals, each with only 10 affirmations repeated over and over in 12 minutes so possibly 12 repeats of that 10 affirmation script in those 12 minutes. These have been extremely effective in my life.

-For my wife, I originally tried the one large custom format using 4 different topics. It started with as little as 80 affirmations and through many edits over the weeks it got as large as 150. I always put one second pause between each statement. I saw decent results to up to about 110 affirmations when my whole file was about 11 minutes through one time. After that, the longer it got, the less results I saw.

-I now use shorter more focused scripts with 25 to 30 affirmation scripts repeated 5 times in 12 minutes. I also put a 2 second pause between each, which I think is important for the subconscious to absorb. Recently, I only play one custom in one room where she stays in the day, and even at night sometimes I vary it playing 1, 2, or 3 in my playlist. My results have been better.

Based on the above, I think you will have more success using shorter single topic focused customs rather than a long one with everything. With a long custom, ideas get diluted and switching topics within the script might distract the mind. Even with a 3 subliminal playlist with single topics, at least while one is playing for 12 minutes, it is repeated several times so the subconscious must focus on one topic at a time.

In fact, if you can make a custom with just 10 to 15 really effective affirmations and can manage to just play this one custom for a long time, you will see great results. The key is simple affirmations, less in number, and the most effective wording of your scripts for the most success.

[eldrin81]

12/07/2013 at 1:06 pm

So the upper cut off time wise where diminishing returns seems to become completely unacceptable really does seem to be at the 10-11 minute mark.

 On a technical level, there really is no difference between a long custom of 75 affirmations, if it’s well organized, and 3 scripts with 25 affirmations. The difference seems to be a psychological one on the script writers side. Having one long script to write, the writer is much more likely to throw too many ideas into one basket, and become disjointed and unorganized. Whereas if that same person sits down to write multiple scripts he is more likely to organize each by specific topic, like chapters in a book, and write fewer affirmations because of it.

I also agree that you can get the number of affirmations really low, if worded properly. Unfortunately that rarely happens out of the gate as none of us have been writing scripts for years, save Trainer. At best, because our wives have several layers of issues to work on for a single topic, and because we don’t get those affirmations perfectly worded right off, we tend to use several different affirmations that attack the topic from different angles until we feel satisfied with how it all sounds.

Personally I don’t see a problem with that, as those scripts can be refined with observation, and community input over time, such that the wording becomes more tight and concise and fewer affirmations can be obtained. In other words it’s much like the process a fiction writer goes through: our first script we unleash on her at any given time is a rough draft, with further patches/refinements incrementally introduced over coming weeks.

The trap of course is when that refinement leads to the quantity of affirmations creeping upwards, rather than downwards. Adding yet mor affirmations, to make up for the lack of a few elegantly worded statements. 

So future advice for all of us is after the first Release of a script, we should strive towards pruning away statements, combining several into one or two concise and better worded ones throughout, and chopping out statements concerning topics that are too redundant, excessive, or that simply don’t fit.

A newbie writing customs should always stick with a 2-4 multi script playlist, with each script focused on a single topic and going no more than about 30 affirmations. Should he grossly go over this number he should submit the script to the community for advice on what to cut out, and what to refine until it is acceptable.

Further refinement should be done with the intent to cut out excess, and reword broken statements, not to add more affirmations. Should more be necessary, the reason should be carefully weighed over days about why they are really needed, and it should be expressed in as few statements as possible. 

This process mirrors other human endeavors like movie making, novel writing, software updates etc, where the main goal is  to fix broken lines, and cut back the fat, rather than adding new content.

I think that about sums up everything So far

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12/07/2013 at 10:03 pm

@eldrin81 said:
 On a technical level, there really is no difference between a long custom of 75 affirmations, if it’s well organized, and 3 scripts with 25 affirmations. The difference seems to be a psychological one on the script writers side. Having one long script to write, the writer is much more likely to throw too many ideas into one basket, and become disjointed and unorganized. Whereas if that same person sits down to write multiple scripts he is more likely to organize each by specific topic, like chapters in a book, and write fewer affirmations because of it.

I agree with everything you said except for the above. There is a difference in the long custom with 75 affirmations, in that the subject listens to all 3 topics one after the other one time each in that 11 minutes. You can say this is a 1:1:1 format. Then if you loop that file during the whole night, it will spend about 3 minutes on each topic jumping around.

With 3 customs, generally you would repeat that 3 minute script at least 4 times making it a 12 minute subliminal. Then if you loop all 3, one topic is repeated 4 times to the subject before switching to a new topic in a 4:4:4 format. This could be key for the subject to better accept the affirmations. If you can lower your affirmations to 15, then one time through the script could be only 2 minutes. This would allow you to repeat your script 6 times in that 12 minutes for more reps, making a 6:6:6 format in the same amount of time.

I am actually in favor of only a 2 subliminal playlist or even just 1 for maximum results.

[eldrin81]

12/07/2013 at 10:19 pm

 So you are saying you could just loop the same script 4 times before moving to the next file? This could be achieved in a single script as well with copy and paste, though for the user it’s not easy to adjust ratios like that unless the they are separate scripts. I get what you are saying though. Generally speaking a few small scripts trumps a single one even if they contain the exact same affirmations. Simply because of utility. It’s more modular, like how programmers work. 

[Fizbin]

12/08/2013 at 11:19 am

All of Trainer’s files repeat each script at least 3 times – in many cases, using different levels for each repetition.

[eldrin81]

12/08/2013 at 1:52 pm

I see. Now that I look at some of them, they do indeed seem to be copy/pasted about 3 times before the whole file ends. I guess you could do that in audacity instead to preserve the brevity and clarity of the script itself. This may be some missing piece that I never utilized. So you guys are saying a script should be repeated atleast 3-4 times BEFORE moving to the next script in the playlist. And that this allows the idea to sink in better before switching to a different topic.

This is one of those seemingly minor, but crucial details I missed and have not been doing. Reminds me of when I realized I needed to set the voice speed to -6.

Right now this is less useful for me though as I am still doing the single custom all night long, but next month I will play around with the idea of splitting into 2-3 smaller customs.

[Fizbin]

12/08/2013 at 3:49 pm

Yes, I think he probably does the replication in Audacity, as well as making the first and last slightly lower volume. That gives a bit of variety as well, and may help in keeping the subconscious’ interest.

[eldrin81]

12/08/2013 at 5:56 pm

The copy paste is an easy way to repeat the statements several times, but lacks versatility. For instance, I have got my Oral sledgehammer right now with less than 20 statements. it runs about 1:30 by itself. I could have copied and pasted within the Textaloud to make it repeat more, but if i wanted to change the repetitions, I would have to re-compile the file each time.

Its much more useful to do the basic script up. Then simply compile it, and play it multiple times in a playlist. Of course this is if you have software that allows this. My current MP3 software does, I can select a single song/file to be played multiple times in the same playlist, and in any order, before looping.

Of course as you point out some of trainers files have repetition that is simply a variation on the original set of statements. I see how that is useful, but I don’t have that so much in my current scripts. So if I decide to play some multi script playlist in the future I will keep in mind this idea of a 4:4:4 ratio of playtime, provided my scripts don’t have any internal repetition in the text itself to begin with.

[Tap]

12/08/2013 at 11:42 pm

Not in Textaloud in audacity. If you read Trainer’s pdf for audacity, after you apply the nyquist prompt, it gives you directions to copy and paste the final product multiple times to make your subliminal as long as you want timewise. If your script is 1:30, you can copy it 12 times in audacity to make it a 14 minute subliminal or so.

All of trainer’s subliminals are 12 to 14 minutes in length but the script itself is short. He just repeats it several times to make it longer. All subliminal websites do this for the most part. It’s why they sell subliminals that are 10 minutes to 30 minutes long but the script itself is only 10 to 20 or so affirmations. It’s the key to sinking in to the subconscious, constant bombardment of the same script.

Some of my scripts I repeat 5 times, others 3, others 4 in the making of one subliminal. So timewise, I have one that’s only 7 minutes, another that’s 12, and another that’s 13 minutes. I do that because certain topics I want more emphasis on so it could be a 5:4:3 format in actuality if I loop 3 custom subliminals.

Fiz,
I don’t increase or lower the volume, I just copy the same product in audacity. I really don’t think it would make a difference. Repetition is key and not necessarily a change in volume throughout the subliminal.

[Fizbin]

12/09/2013 at 3:45 am

I was just hypothesizing why he might be doing it. That he does it is self evident from looking at the files. (Remember, I decode any subliminals I haven’t personally recorded but that I might want to use in order to verify their content against the claims.)

[eldrin81]

12/09/2013 at 2:19 pm

Ya. i never got silver membership, So i never saw the time lengths of his mp3’s, just the text of the scripts.

But he does do some repetition of sorts in his textaloud text files as well. Usually just slightly reworded.

I can see why them going for 10 minutes before switching topics is beneficial.

He probably should’ve made it more clear in the ebook that was the goal of the copy paste.